Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
It is interesting to note that the human psyche will break if cut off from any sensory stimuli for more than about 48 hours. I don't believe this is due to some philosophical need for a mind to be connected to its environment, however, rather I would guess it is due to the design of the neurons

Re: Progress and Happiness

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
An interesting video related to the discussion: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html Interesting point: Lottery winners and those who become paraplegic have the same level of happiness after a year. Jason On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Rex Allen

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shut down and now he is about to find a solution for a problem. Does his

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-20 Thread terren
Bruno, I don't think I ever got your reply to my message below... I am interested in your thoughts on this. Thanks, Terren terren wrote: Bruno, I think that comp might imply that simple virgin (non programmed) universal (and immaterial) machine are already conscious. Perhaps even

Re: Progress and Happiness

2011-06-20 Thread benjayk
Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:08 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: If evolution by natural selection were correct, then it seems to me that if the overall environment remained relatively stable for an extended period of time - then

Re: Progress and Happiness

2011-06-20 Thread benjayk
Jason Resch-2 wrote: An interesting video related to the discussion: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html Interesting point: Lottery winners and those who become paraplegic have the same level of happiness after a year. A very interesting talk. We tend

Re: Progress and Happiness

2011-06-20 Thread selva
On Jun 20, 9:09 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: Jason Resch-2 wrote: An interesting video related to the discussion: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html Interesting point: Lottery winners and those who become paraplegic have the same

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses   shut

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/6/20 selva selvakr1...@gmail.com On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
by saying it does not occur in the situation i am describing..so it does occur when our sense are present.in that case,it implies that our thoughts are affecting the environment through our senses.now how is that possible?senses are unidirectional. the situation i am describing becomes

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It does occur when you have interaction with the environment... your mind obviously got feedback/input from the environment through the senses... so if no input is given, how can the mind can interract with it. And the mind act on the environment through the body. I don't know of any instance of

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
On Jun 20, 10:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: It does occur when you have interaction with the environment... your mind obviously got feedback/input from the environment through the senses.. .and yes it got the input and is not getting the input.we can think of only what we

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I don't believe per se to what is coined by noetic science. But that the study of consciousness is primary in a computational theory of the mind, yes I do. Quentin 2011/6/20 selva selvakr1...@gmail.com On Jun 20, 10:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: It does occur when you

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread meekerdb
On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs published? Brent All those canes, braces and crutches, and not a single glass eye, wooden

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs published? I was trying to understand what

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread meekerdb
On 6/20/2011 12:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Terren Suydam
Two words: sharpshooter fallacy. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those