On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You won't believe that your vision is normal, no. Other people will
believe your vision is normal and you will have the capacity to make
them believe it is normal by being able to verify external optical
conditions,
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jul 2011, at 22:08, benjayk wrote:
Yes. A tiny part of arithmetic is already sufficiently rich to
implement (in the original mathematical sense) very complex emulation
bearing entities much powerfull than that tiny arithmetical entities,
and those can
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jul 2011, at 22:08, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Well, bad luck. Then you have to play this game until you get tired
of it.
If that can happen.
I hope so! Playing is great, but every particular game is boring at
some
point.
Not the
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
Fire isn't in the log, but you can approximate a burning log to some
degree with concrete log and burning gas. It's not a log but it is
fire in the fireplace. If I turn on cable TV around Christmas, they
run a video
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jul 25, 10:08 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
You say the question is meaningless but then answer it in the
affirmative.
The answer is as affirmative as it is negative. Consciousness is
On 27 Jul 2011, at 15:50, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jul 2011, at 22:08, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Well, bad luck. Then you have to play this game until you get
tired
of it.
If that can happen.
I hope so! Playing is great, but every particular game is
On 27 Jul 2011, at 15:36, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jul 2011, at 22:08, benjayk wrote:
Yes. A tiny part of arithmetic is already sufficiently rich to
implement (in the original mathematical sense) very complex
emulation
bearing entities much powerfull than that tiny
On 27 Jul 2011, at 00:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/26/2011 1:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't believe in a granted (primitive) cosmos, nor in any thing
primitively physical. Nor do I believe in their inexistence. I
heard only rumor. I am agnostic on that issue. But I don't believe
in the
On 26 Jul 2011, at 19:11, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi benjayk,
I might comment other paragraphs later, but for reason of time and
business, I will just go on some points.
No problem, comment on what you want and when you feel like doing it.
OK.
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:48 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
All known biology is Turing emulable.
The carbon atom is Turing emulable.
Since our biology is the only biology that we can know from the
inside, why would we assume that what we can emulate the interior
qualities of other organisms
On Jul 26, 4:52 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/26/2011 12:56 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't see how I'm begging the question. I'm just saying that feeling
is the interior topology of biological cells, and so a brain made of
non-biological cells won't feel the same.
On 7/27/2011 8:04 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Fire isn't in the log, but you can approximate a burning log to some
degree with concrete log and burning gas. It's not a log but it
On Jul 27, 7:37 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
But you must believe that your vision is normal, because the parts of
your brain responsible for formulating beliefs and expressing them are
On Jul 27, 11:04 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
Would you agree that intelligence cannot be faked? That is to say, if your
youtube program were a good enough representation to give the appearance of
intelligence, is that process necessarily intelligent? If your youtube
On Jul 27, 11:05 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jul 25, 10:08 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
You say the question is meaningless but then answer it in the
affirmative.
The
On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:04 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
Would you agree that intelligence cannot be faked? That is to say,
if your
youtube program were a good enough representation to give the
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jul 27, 11:05 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Jul 25, 10:08 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
You
On Jul 27, 3:43 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Ignore inner experiences for the purposes of answering this question.
(for now at least)
Assume there is a program which chooses the exactly correct YouTube
videos to display in response to any given question, and it chooses
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jul 27, 3:43 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Ignore inner experiences for the purposes of answering this question.
(for now at least)
Assume there is a program which chooses the exactly correct
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