Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In my view, any experiment is based on some assumptions (a world view). To this end, it would be nice to understand what a world view would be necessary to state that the thermostat feels cold. I guess it is certainly

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.08.2011 09:14 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In my view, any experiment is based on some assumptions (a world view). To this end, it would be nice to understand what a world view would be necessary to state

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread meekerdb
On 8/22/2011 3:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I would agree that we cannot exclude it. After all if we take qualia ontologically, then it is hard to escape panpsychism. Let me quote Gray in this respect (he was not aware of Bruno's theory): p. 321. Alternatively, no such new arrangement of the

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2011, at 23:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: PART I On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 18, 9:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Aug 2011, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: Not sure I

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Aug 2011, at 15:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: PART II On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Thanks for explaining. It's interesting but I am more looking at taking the Cartesian approach further, so that rather than reducing experience to gated logics and assuming

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-22 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 22:43, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:49, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2011, at 20:13, benjayk wrote: Hm... OK. I am not sure that there are valid 3-communicable theories about fundamental

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 21, 3:04 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Aug 2011, at 19:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 21, 12:35 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Aug 2011, at 14:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: That's why the mechanist position is critically flawed as a

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-22 Thread meekerdb
On 8/22/2011 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If you make it a 3D-hologram of an actress, with odorama and VR touchback tactile interfaces, then is it a zombie? If you connect this thing up to a GPS instead of a cinematically scripted liturgy and put it in an information kiosk, does it become a

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 22, 1:06 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/22/2011 3:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I would agree that we cannot exclude it. After all if we take qualia ontologically, then it is hard to escape panpsychism. Let me quote Gray in this respect (he was not aware of Bruno's

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread meekerdb
On 8/22/2011 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 22, 1:06 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/22/2011 3:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I would agree that we cannot exclude it. After all if we take qualia ontologically, then it is hard to escape panpsychism. Let me quote

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-08-22 Thread RMahoney
No, we see the effect of photons on our receptors. Our dreams re-inact that effect. On Aug 12, 9:01 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 9:55 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Photons don't carry charge.  If they did they'd interact with other photons and we

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-22 Thread John Mikes
Animate? Inanimate? Conceptually we cannot compare identity of * complexities,* because we compare only as much as we know of and that is incomplete. Zombie I consider an artifact for a certain (mental?) fantasy-explanation without basis. Also 'dynamic' or 'static' is in *our view* streamlined

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 23:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: PART I On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 18, 9:43 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2011-08-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, RMahoney rmaho...@poteau.com wrote: No, we see the effect of photons on our receptors. Our dreams re-inact that effect. There are many who say that waking life is really just a dream that is modulated by the senses. This is because the brain does a lot of