Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2012, at 18:07, acw wrote: On 1/10/2012 17:48, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2012, at 12:58, acw wrote: On 1/10/2012 12:03, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2012, at 19:36, acw wrote: To put it more simply: if Church Turing Thesis(CTT) is correct, mathematics is the same for

Re: Question about PA and 1p

2012-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2012, at 19:35, acw wrote: On 1/11/2012 19:22, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I have a question. Does not the Tennenbaum Theorem prevent the concept of first person plural from having a coherent meaning, since it seems to makes PA unique and singular? In other words, how can multipl

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:24, John Clark wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: >> however we don't know that there is a explanation for everything, some things might be fundamental. > In the case of elementary arithmetic, we can even explain why we cannot explain it by something more fundamental. There

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-12 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > If you know the logic behind something then you understand it and if >> you understand it you know the logic behind it. >> > > > > That's a false assumption. I can understand something whether or not > it has logic behind it. > > You can know

Re: Question about PA and 1p

2012-01-12 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Bruno, On 1/12/2012 1:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2012, at 19:35, acw wrote: On 1/11/2012 19:22, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I have a question. Does not the Tennenbaum Theorem prevent the concept of first person plural from having a coherent meaning, since it seems to makes PA

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 12, 4:18 pm, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > If you know the logic behind something then you understand it and if > >> you understand it you know the logic behind it. > > > > That's a false assumption. I can understand something whether or not >