Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 08:12 meekerdb said the following: On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? What about Big Bang? It has also happened for a reason? I

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread meekerdb
On 1/21/2012 12:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 08:12 meekerdb said the following: On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? What about Big

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jan 2012, at 01:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 20, 2:03 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2012, at 02:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: What machine makes the infinite tape? Eventually the numbers themselves. It is simpler than the universal unitary rotation of the

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jan 2012, at 10:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2012 12:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 08:12 meekerdb said the following: On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote:

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 10:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 12:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 08:12 meekerdb said the following: On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Basically I do not understand what the term information then brings. One can certainly state that information is the same as the entropy (we are free with definitions

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 21, 4:38 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Jan 2012, at 01:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: What machine makes the infinite tape? Eventually the numbers themselves. It is simpler than the universal unitary rotation of the physicist, but if you want an infinite tape, you

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-21 Thread meekerdb
On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Basically I do not understand what the term information then brings. One can certainly state that information is the same

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 20:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... 2) If physicists say that information is the entropy, they must take it literally and then apply experimental thermodynamics to measure information. This however seems not to happen. It does

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: you will find that the word intelligence never included the possibility of inanimate objects in the first place. That's because the very word inanimate means something that does not do complex things like turn carbon

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It [the Big Bang] has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did not happen for a reason. Well, then you have an infinite progression Yes, but there is nothing

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-21 Thread meekerdb
On 1/21/2012 11:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 20:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... 2) If physicists say that information is the entropy, they must take it literally and then apply experimental thermodynamics to measure

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 21:01 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 11:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 20:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... 2) If physicists say that information is the entropy, they must take it literally and then apply

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 20:54 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It [the Big Bang] has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did not happen for a reason. Well, then you have an

Re: The Computing Spacetime

2012-01-21 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2012, at 07:17, Joseph Knight wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Stephen, Ronald, The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from the

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 21, 2:38 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: you will find that the word intelligence never included the possibility of inanimate objects in the first place. That's because the very word inanimate