Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.01.2012 22:03 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 21.01.2012 21:01 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 11:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 20:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... 2) If physicists say that information is

Turing Test and Female Hormones

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.01.2012 10:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... Note also that Turing invented his test to avoid the philosophical hard issue of consciousness. In a nutshell Turing defines consciousness by having an intelligent behavior. The Turing test is equivalent with a type of no zombie

Re: Turing Test and Female Hormones

2012-01-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.01.2012 10:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... Note also that Turing invented his test to avoid the philosophical hard issue of consciousness. In a nutshell Turing defines consciousness by having an intelligent behavior. The

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote Yes, but there is nothing illogical about infinite progressions; or maybe the Big Bang happened for no reason, nothing illogical about that either. This would contradict with your previous statement: but we also know

Re: Turing Test and Female Hormones

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
When Jaron Lanier suggests that we are not gadget, he shows that he has a reductionist conception of machine. Turing, Post, and others have been the pioneer in the research which shows that such a reductionist view of machine cannot be rationally defended. Lanier's book is not a scientific

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.01.2012 18:39 John Clark said the following: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote Yes, but there is nothing illogical about infinite progressions; or maybe the Big Bang happened for no reason, nothing illogical about that either. This would

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... and since information is measured by order, a maximum of order is conveyed by a maximum of disorder. Obviously, this is a Babylonian muddle. Somebody or something has

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-22 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I would say though that something does not happen for a reason and something happens for no reason are two completely different statements. Don't you agree? What the hell are you talking about? John K Clark -- You

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-22 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi John, On 1/21/2012 2:54 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It [the Big Bang] has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.01.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I would say though that something does not happen for a reason and something happens for no reason are two completely different statements. Don't you agree? What the

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 07:16:23PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... and since information is measured by order, a maximum of order is conveyed by a maximum of disorder.