On Jan 29, 3:44 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/28/2012 7:05 PM, Pierz wrote:
On Jan 29, 10:57 am, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/28/2012 3:15 PM, Pierz wrote:
These approaches always end up conflating the two, their
proponents getting annoyed with
On 1/31/2012 14:28, Pierz wrote:
I'll tell you a campfire story of my own. One day my grandmother was
going to drive my mother home across town. We were at my gran's place
at the time and a close friend of mine was present. As they were about
to leave, my friend went suddenly pale. She said
On 1/31/2012 7:28 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:44 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/28/2012 7:05 PM, Pierz wrote:
On Jan 29, 10:57 am, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.netwrote:
On 1/28/2012 3:15 PM, Pierz wrote:
These approaches always end up conflating the two, their
proponents
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that
no sensory input should equate to total blackness, since there is no
information to report. Since we can dream or imagine total darkness
without this kind of noise,
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that
no sensory input should equate to total blackness, since there is no
information to report.
??
WTF ?
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that
no sensory input should equate to total
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect
On Jan 31, 12:03 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing is easily represented... why something ? Have you more stupid
though to discuss in your pocket ?
Empty ridicule. Must have hit a nerve. Why not explain why I'm wrong
instead?
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On 1/31/2012 18:44, Craig Weinberg wrote:
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that
no sensory input should equate to total blackness, since there is no
information to report. Since we can dream or
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise,
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I just explained
3 days after learning that the subject even existed here we sit at your
feet while you explain all about it to us.
that Shannon information has nothing to do with anything except data
compression.
Except
On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote:
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mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The Limbic system predates the Neocortex evolutionarily.
As I've said on this list many times.
There is no reason to think that emotion emerged after intelligence.
And as I've said emotion is about 500 million years old
On 1/31/2012 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That's the reason mind exist, it accelerate the processing much more quickly. In fact,
just by software change, the slower machine can always beat the faster machines, on
almost inputs, except a finite number of them.
I can accept that intuitively,
On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, acw a...@lavabit.com wrote:
A digital or analog camera would get similar amounts of noise as the
eye, actually probably less than the eye.
Why do you say that? Have you ever taken a photo with the lens cap on?
I just looked at my digital camera in my phone and blocked the
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, acw a...@lavabit.com wrote:
A digital or analog camera would get similar amounts of noise as the
eye, actually probably less than the eye.
Why do you say that? Have you ever taken a photo with the lens cap on?
I just
On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some
astronomically improbable stroke of luck, it would be necessary for Craig
to *understand what he is criticizing *before he could actually make useful
On 1/31/2012 11:11 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Also when you close your eyes, your sensor still receive stimuli from the eyes. Only in
total blackness would you see black, but you'll still receive information from other
senses and parts of your brain. You never have no inputs. Even in sense
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some
astronomically improbable stroke of luck, it would be necessary for Craig
to
On 1/31/2012 19:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, acwa...@lavabit.com wrote:
A digital or analog camera would get similar amounts of noise as the
eye, actually probably less than the eye.
Why do you say that? Have you ever taken a photo with the lens cap on?
First, the eyes
Craig,
The movie The Matrix is essentially about comp. What is it about that
movie's premise that seems impossible to you?
Terren
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with your
On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux
allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:11 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
A conscious program should involves deep computation and self reflection,
visual qualia inputs are not only from visual sensors but also from
internal parts like in human.
Also when you close your eyes, your sensor still receive
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 2:11 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
A conscious program should involves deep computation and self reflection,
visual qualia inputs are not only from visual sensors but also from
internal parts like in human.
Also
Craig and Brent:
would you kindly disclose an opinion that can be
deemed SUPPORTED
All our 'support' (evidence, verification whatever) comes from mostly
uninformed information fragments we receive by observation(?) of the
already accessible details and try to
On Jan 31, 2:33 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some
On Jan 31, 2:52 pm, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
The movie The Matrix is essentially about comp. What is it about that
movie's premise that seems impossible to you?
It's possible to simulate a world for a person but it is not possible
to simulate the sense of being a
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 2:52 pm, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
The movie The Matrix is essentially about comp. What is it about that
movie's premise that seems impossible to you?
It's possible to simulate a world for a person but
2012/1/31 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 1/31/2012 11:11 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Also when you close your eyes, your sensor still receive stimuli from the
eyes. Only in total blackness would you see black, but you'll still receive
information from other senses and parts of your brain.
What if a baby is fed a virtual reality from the day it was born?
Assume that (as in the movie) the sensory inputs are rich enough that
if we were to experience it, we would be hard pressed to detect that
it was a virtual reality.
If the baby grows up in a virtual world, complete with rich social
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 31, 2:33 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I have a filter set in my mail software such that any Everything List
thread that has more than 20% of the comments by Craig Weinberg gets
put into a special folder. I find this helps me to prioritize my
reading.
It's really working well! But something must be wrong, as I haven't
seen any other
On 1/31/2012 3:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote:
snip
Hi,
In Craig's defense I would like to point out that however
trolling or postmodernist you might see his ideas, he is trying hard
to think outside of the box that you guys are gyrating
Craig - see below...
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
They are part of the same thing, although perpendicular (organization
is material forms across volumetric space, experience is entangled
perceptions through sequential time...exact opposites,
On Jan 31, 2:55 pm, acw a...@lavabit.com wrote:
On 1/31/2012 19:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 31, 12:45 pm,
acwa...@lavabit.com wrote:
A digital or analog camera would get similar amounts of noise as the
eye, actually probably less than the eye.
Why do you say that? Have you ever
David Nyman wrote:
*On 25 January 2012 19:46, meekerdb
**meeke...@verizon.net*meeke...@verizon.net
* wrote:*
* Note that the theories I mentioned do not assume a spacetime vacuum.
One
may say they assume a potentiality for a spacetime vacuum, but to deny
even
potential would be to deny
On Jan 31, 4:00 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 31, 2:52 pm, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
The movie The Matrix is essentially about comp. What is it about that
movie's premise that seems
On Jan 31, 4:40 pm, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
What if a baby is fed a virtual reality from the day it was born?
Assume that (as in the movie) the sensory inputs are rich enough that
if we were to experience it, we would be hard pressed to detect that
it was a virtual
On Jan 31, 4:40 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 31, 2:33 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 31 January 2012 22:55, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with what you say, John. When we reach such a pitch of
puzzlement about our very categories of thought it's a sure sign that
we're bumping into some human limitation or other. Temporary or
permanent, who knows? But still,
Regarding the philosopher's nothing:
This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our universe is a
four dimensional structure (time is a subjective phenomenon). This
timeless existence of this moment establishes that nothingness cannot
exist. In short: It is an impossible state. The
On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Regarding the philosopher's nothing:
This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our universe is a four dimensional
structure (time is a subjective phenomenon). This timeless existence of this moment
establishes that nothingness cannot
Hi,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9051909/Mind-reading-device-could-become-reality.html
Are not computers wonderful tools? :-)
Any comments?
Onward!
Stephen
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
Hi,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**science/science-news/9051909/**
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