Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Feb 2012, at 17:27, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since it is predictable, it is deterministic Yes. since it is determiniistic it is no free. Cannot comment because your definition of free will was nonsensical and the problem seems to be more

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Feb 2012, at 18:47, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/8/2012 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Feb 2012, at 18:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I think Quentin has a theory here, that you might be stupid. Joseph Knight has another

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/9/2012 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Feb 2012, at 18:47, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/8/2012 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Feb 2012, at 18:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I think Quentin has a theory here, that you

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Feb 2012, at 13:20, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/9/2012 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Feb 2012, at 18:47, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/8/2012 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Feb 2012, at 18:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 8, 10:14 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Whatever. If you subjectivise it completely. it is no longer of interest. That's because you aren't taking subjectivity seriously. If I am very cold and I walk into a room temperature room, to me the room feels warm. That isn't

Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/2/9 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Feb 8, 10:14 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Whatever. If you subjectivise it completely. it is no longer of interest. That's because you aren't taking subjectivity seriously. If I am very cold and I walk into a room

Crux of the Mind-Body problem (was Re: Ontological Problems of COMP)

2012-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Craig, Sorry, I answered a paragraph to quickly. You raised a key question which is at the crux of the mind-body problem, and its comp reformulation. On 09 Feb 2012, at 10:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Feb 2012, at 23:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: I think that the 1p-sense that the machine

Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: It [being free] means your actions are not determined by external forces So a external force like light that has reflected off a wall does not effect your actions and you crash into the wall. If that's what being free means then I don't want

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/9/2012 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Feb 2012, at 13:20, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, My best expression of my theory, although it does not quite rise to that level, is in my last response to ACW under the subject line Ontological problems of COMP. My claim is that your

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: How in hell would putting a computer in the position of the man prove anything?? Because that is the position a computer is in when it runs a program based on user inputs and outputs. The man in the room is a CPU.

Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 9, 9:49 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/9 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com How does a gear or lever have an opinion? The problems with gears and levers is dumbness. Does putting a billion gears and levers together in an arrangement make them less

Re: Ontological Problems of COMP

2012-02-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/9/2012 3:40 PM, acw wrote: On 2/8/2012 06:29, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi ACW, I apologize for the length of this post, but I think that if I snipped text that context would be lost that is necessary. Let us slow down a bit. I think we are decohering a bit. ;-) I should probably apologize

Re: The free will function

2012-02-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 9, 5:03 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But free-will is often just meaning will, in some context of freedom. It is a generalization of responsibility. Yes. I guess you understand the difference between a premeditated crime and an non premeditated crime. A lawyer cannot

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 9, 1:26 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: How in hell would putting a computer in the position of the man prove anything?? Because that is the position a computer is in when it runs a program

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Feb 2012, at 17:43, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/9/2012 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Feb 2012, at 13:20, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, My best expression of my theory, although it does not quite rise to that level, is in my last response to ACW under the subject