Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread 1Z
On Feb 20, 6:52 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 05:20, 1Z wrote: On Feb 20, 4:10 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 19, 10:57 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Comp says that any UM's experience is indistinguishable from

A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread Kim Jones
Probably. From a friend of mine on Facebook: Is it possible that the notion of the universe expanding is really an illusion based on the fact that WE are shrinking? Perhaps this idea might be used as a stepping-stone to a better idea. Go on, have a laugh if you want but tell me why this cannot

Re: A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 20, 4:30 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Probably. From a friend of mine on Facebook: Is it possible that the notion of the universe expanding is really an illusion based on the fact that WE are shrinking? Perhaps this idea might be used as a stepping-stone to a better

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Why would Gods be supernatural? Why would bachelors be married? That's begging the question. There is no logical basis to claim that the word supernatural

Re: COMP theology

2012-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Feb 2012, at 16:37, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.02.2012 15:52 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... Both Cantor and Gödel used the word theology ... Could you please cite these works? Search the for the text mathematics, theology and the infinite by Joseph Dauben I have lost my

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread acw
On 2/20/2012 13:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: .. Believable falsehoods are falsehoods and convincing illusions still aren't reality It doesn't matter if they believe in the

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Feb 2012, at 09:59, 1Z wrote: On Feb 20, 6:52 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 05:20, 1Z wrote: On Feb 20, 4:10 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 19, 10:57 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Comp says that any UM's

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread 1Z
On Feb 20, 3:32 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 09:59, 1Z wrote: On Feb 20, 6:52 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Feb 2012, at 05:20, 1Z wrote: On Feb 20, 4:10 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 19, 10:57 pm,

Re: Quantum Computing breakthrough

2012-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Feb 2012, at 06:22, Kim Jones wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/nanotransistor-breakthrough-to-offer-billion-times-faster-computer-20120220-1thqk.html Wonderful! Not sure how they will entangle or superpose large set of registers, but that might be possible, at low

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If the physicists at CERN announced that all life including human life was created by the Klogknee Field but didn't even attempt to explain how it had done this miraculous thing would you be satisfied? I wouldn't be. They

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: There could an infinite number of the Many Worlds with all kinds of Gods. But then why did you say There is something that prevents infinite nonsense universes? How did you find this out, did you somehow check on

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread 1Z
On Feb 20, 4:48 pm, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, why do you think - if there are indeed many universes - that they are identical and like ours? It isn't a question of what I think. There are different multiversal theories. Some say all the universes are bound by a set of

Re: The thermodynamics of computation

2012-02-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.02.2012 22:13 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:21:01AM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: If one well defines a thought experiment with the Maxwell's demon, then it is quite clear that such

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 20, 10:32 am, acw a...@lavabit.com wrote: On 2/20/2012 13:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.com  wrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com  wrote: .. Believable falsehoods are falsehoods and convincing illusions still aren't

Re: The thermodynamics of computation

2012-02-20 Thread meekerdb
On 2/20/2012 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.02.2012 22:13 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:21:01AM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: If one well defines a thought experiment with the

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Feb 2012, at 14:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Why would Gods be supernatural? Why would bachelors be married? That's begging the question. There is no logical basis to

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread acw
On 2/20/2012 18:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 20, 10:32 am, acwa...@lavabit.com wrote: On 2/20/2012 13:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.comwrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.comwrote: .. Believable falsehoods are

Re: The thermodynamics of computation

2012-02-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.02.2012 19:54 meekerdb said the following: On 2/20/2012 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.02.2012 22:13 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:21:01AM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: If one

Re: The thermodynamics of computation

2012-02-20 Thread meekerdb
On 2/20/2012 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.02.2012 19:54 meekerdb said the following: On 2/20/2012 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.02.2012 22:13 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:21:01AM -0500, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM,

Re: The thermodynamics of computation

2012-02-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:33:13PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have nothing against Adami's book as such. His description of his software avida and his experiments with it are okay. My point was about his claim that his work has something to do with thermodynamics. It is definitely not.

Re: A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread John Mikes
Kim, I have my doubts: Hubble's ingenious idea that the 'redshift' means slowing down frequencies, eo ipso (???) a receding lightsource from us is fine, just not the possible sole answer to the phenomenon. Light passing gravitational/magnetic fields may suffer similar decay allegedly, yet the

Re: A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread John Mikes
Craig: where has that primordial singularity come from? and what expansion? I like to use terms beyond hearsay or fantasy. (Of course MY narrative is fantasy based on hearsay, - B U T it makes sense in its cosequences, I think.) John M On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Craig Weinberg

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 20, 2:48 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Sorry, I resend this because there was a little mistake: On 20 Feb 2012, at 14:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Why

Re: The free will function

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 20, 2:53 pm, acw a...@lavabit.com wrote: On 2/20/2012 18:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 20, 10:32 am, acwa...@lavabit.com wrote: On 2/20/2012 13:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 19, 11:57 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.comwrote: On Feb 20, 4:41 am, Craig

Re: A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 20, 5:28 pm, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Craig: where has that primordial singularity come from? Where is a question which arises as a consequence of the diffraction. It is like asking what is north of the north pole. Causality breaks down in the undiffracted singularity. and

Re: A Good Silly Question

2012-02-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/20/2012 5:28 PM, John Mikes wrote: Craig: where has that primordial singularity come from? and what expansion? I like to use terms beyond hearsay or fantasy. (Of course MY narrative is fantasy based on hearsay, - B U T it makes sense in its cosequences, I think.) John M On Mon, Feb 20,