Perhaps a more basic, and more pertinent question related with
entrophy and information in the context of this list is the relation
of computability, living beings , the arrow of time and entropy,
What the paper (http://qi.ethz.ch/edu/qisemFS10/papers/
On 2/27/2012 6:16 AM, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Perhaps a more basic, and more pertinent question related with
entrophy and information in the context of this list is the relation
of computability, living beings , the arrow of time and entropy,
What the paper
I've been reading The Origin of Physical Laws...and have a question about the
following quote:
you can modify the device in such a way that the amount of physical activity
involved is
arbitrarily low, and even null for dreaming experience which has no inputs and
no outputs.
It seems to
On 27 Feb 2012, at 12:16, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Perhaps a more basic, and more pertinent question related with
entrophy and information in the context of this list is the relation
of computability, living beings , the arrow of time and entropy,
What the paper
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
There is no simulation of red. Red is only red.
But red itself is a simulation. Electromagnetic waves a length of 700
nanometers can produce the quale red in the minds of most (but not all)
human beings if it enters
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
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On Feb 26, 3:50 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
it is space-time observations which emerges from arithmetical self-
observation.
Why would they though? I can have a dream in which I observe myself
participating in a space-time world, but it is not consistent with
physics. Things
On 27.02.2012 17:47 John Clark said the following:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Craig
Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
There is no simulation of red. Red is only red.
But red itself is a simulation. Electromagnetic waves a length of
700 nanometers can produce the quale red in the
On 27.02.2012 00:13 meekerdb said the following:
On 2/26/2012 5:58 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I have written a summary for the discussion in the subject:
http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/02/entropy-and-information.html
No doubt, this is my personal viewpoint. If you see that I have
missed something,
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a physical process that cannot be simulated by a
Turing Machine equivalent computation. IOW, any non-computational
physical process.
Onward!
On 2/27/2012 10:59 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 27.02.2012 00:13 meekerdb said the following:
On 2/26/2012 5:58 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I have written a summary for the discussion in the subject:
http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/02/entropy-and-information.html
No doubt, this is my personal
On 2/27/2012 11:02 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a physical process that cannot be simulated by a Turing Machine
equivalent computation. IOW, any
On Feb 25, 11:05 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 24, 11:02 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 24, 7:40 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Which only underscores how different consciousness is from
computation. We can't share the exact same software, but
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, ronaldheld wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
Hi,
Any measurement of a physical process that cannot be simulated by a
Turing Machine
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
The best thing would be to work in the other direction, and see if you can
derive the wrong laws of physics from COMP itself. If you could do that,
On 2/27/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
AIs can generate their own software. That is the point of AI.
They don't have to generate their own software though, we have to tell
them to do that and specify exactly how we want them to do it.
Not exactly. AI learns from interactions which
On 2/27/2012 11:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You can make matter behave in any way relatively to virtual reality that you are
building, but the 3-creature, relative to you, will be able to deduce from their
observation that they are in a simulated reality, by comparing what they can measure
On Feb 25, 4:50 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 24 Feb 2012, at 23:40, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 23, 9:41 pm, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Let us suppose you're right and... but hold on! We can't do that.
That
would be circular. That would be sneaking in the
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I keep repeating this list, adding more each time. What else can I do.
Comp cannot disprove itself, so if you are looking for that to happen
then I can tell you already that it won't. I can't prove the existence
of
On Feb 27, 3:32 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
AIs can generate their own software. That is the point of AI.
They don't have to generate their own software though, we have to tell
them to do that and specify exactly how we want them
On Feb 27, 3:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
The best thing would be to work in the other direction, and see if you can
derive
On Feb 26, 12:22 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 24, 11:13 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course. They are the particular sense of epistemology which 'seems
like' the opposite of 'seems like'. Phenomena are reduced to their
wireframe invariance - a skeleton
On 2/27/2012 1:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:32 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
AIs can generate their own software. That is the point of AI.
They don't have to generate their own software though, we have to tell
them to do
On Feb 25, 10:50 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 25, 6:32 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 24, 8:22 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 10:24 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You are
thinking that because you
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Feb 27, 3:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com
wrote:
What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify
COMP?
On Feb 27, 4:52 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 1:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:32 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
AIs can generate their own software. That is the point of AI.
They don't have to
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
[Comp is] not a question... but a starting hypothesis...
The hypothesis is that the physics of the brain is computable. If this
is granted, then it follows by the fading qualia argument that the
consciousness of the
On Feb 27, 5:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
Since I can fly sometimes in dreams, that proves that if comp were
true, it is capable of varying the laws of physics. I have not yet
heard why comp prefers one set of physical laws outside of my head and
many spontaneously
On 2/27/2012 2:15 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com
mailto:joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM,
On 2/27/2012 2:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:52 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 1:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:32 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.netwrote:
On 2/27/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
AIs can generate their own software.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 2:15 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Feb 27, 3:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM,
On Feb 27, 5:37 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 2:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:52 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 1:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:32 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 11:54
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 04:38:05PM -0600, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/27/2012 2:15 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
With COMP it's all inside your head so I don't see the problem.
That IS the problem. Since they are both
Couple of Free Will studies:
Laypersons' belief in free will may foster a sense of thoughtful
reflection and willingness to exert energy, thereby promoting
helpfulness and reducing aggression, and so disbelief in free will may
make behavior more reliant on selfish, automatic impulses and
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