Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2012, at 21:31, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: This illustrates the problem I have with your ideas, it's not your mathematics it's the assumption you make right at the start which is the foundation for everything else. Which

Re: Uncertainty

2012-03-23 Thread John Mikes
Stephen, - especially to the 2nd part of your reply - I do not speak about a 'certain' uncertainty (i.e. 'quantum') I speak about the concept: uncertainty is inherent in whatever we think about, because in our 'model' of the knowable world there is only part of the total (see the historical

Re: First person indeterminacy (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: thanks for the considerate reply. Let me pick some of your sentences: *2^16 parallel universes needed to implement the quantum superposition** - used in Shor's quantum algorithm to find the prime factors of numbers*. I would not limit the numbers and fix the

Determinism in the case of bifurcations and symmetry breaking

2012-03-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
In physics there are bifurcations and symmetry breaking. What happens then if I solve some transient problem for a system where a bifurcation or symmetry breaking happens. How the choice will be made? Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Mar 23, 1:08 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2012 9:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Mar 22, 8:28 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net  wrote: On 3/22/2012 4:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Mar 22, 6:09 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net    wrote: On 3/22/2012 2:53

Re: Uncertainty

2012-03-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/23/2012 11:47 AM, John Mikes wrote: Stephen, - especially to the 2nd part of your reply - I do not speak about a 'certain' uncertainty (i.e. 'quantum') I speak about the concept: uncertainty is inherent in whatever we think about, because in our 'model' of the knowable world there is only

Re: First person indeterminacy (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/23/2012 12:34 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: thanks for the considerate reply. Let me pick some of your sentences: /2^16 parallel universes needed to implement the quantum superposition// - used in Shor's quantum algorithm to find the prime factors of numbers/. I would not

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You are still avoiding the WM duplication. There is no spliting in Many Worlds unless something is different, if 2 universes are identical then they have merged and there is now only one universe. the copy and the original agree

Re: Determinism in the case of bifurcations and symmetry breaking

2012-03-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/23/2012 3:08 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: In physics there are bifurcations and symmetry breaking. What happens then if I solve some transient problem for a system where a bifurcation or symmetry breaking happens. How the choice will be made? Evgenii Hi! We would use statistics to

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
From a 3rd POV, there is no indeterminacy, we know there will be two you after the duplication. From your 1st POV, even if you know it, you'll (both you) still feel singular, and the you who was asked before the experience what he expect to feel after the duplication was unable to predict which

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/23/2012 3:44 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/21/2012 8:16 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net

Re: Fwd: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/23/2012 6:47 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Joseph Knight* joseph.9...@gmail.com mailto:joseph.9...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology) To: Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-03-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Mar 14, 2:52 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Remind me again what is the argument for why anyone would mind having their liberty taken away? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email