Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jun 2012, at 21:21, R AM wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: No. But the gangster does not know this determination. So although at that level he could not do otherwise, from his perspective, it still can make genuine sense that he

Re: modal logic's meta axiom

2012-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jun 2012, at 00:38, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 08:17:38PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jun 2012, at 00:47, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 01:33:48PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: In fact we have p/p for any p. If you were correct we would

Re: One subject

2012-06-13 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:31:31 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 6/12/2012 4:40 PM, Pierz wrote: I didn't say that we would all turn into self-deniers concerned only to help others. I said we would achieve an optimal moral society. Such a society would always bear in mind the absolute

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-13 Thread R AM
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:08 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/12/2012 1:06 PM, R AM wrote: Isn't that randomness? No, it's unpredictablity - something we may fruitfully model by a mathematical theory of randomness even though the dynamics are perfectly deterministic, when we

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-13 Thread R AM
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Yes, but for the sake of the argument, I wanted you to consider the case where you are pretty certain about eating spaghetti. Defenders of free will would say that free will is active whenever you make a decision,

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jun 2012, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: Here's a thoughtful blog on the meaning of theology. Bruno may want to comment, since his conception of theology might answer the questions put forward.

Re: modal logic's meta axiom

2012-06-13 Thread meekerdb
On 6/13/2012 12:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jun 2012, at 00:38, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 08:17:38PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jun 2012, at 00:47, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 01:33:48PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: In fact we have

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-13 Thread meekerdb
On 6/13/2012 1:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.06.2012 20:17 meekerdb said the following: Here's a thoughtful blog on the meaning of theology. Bruno may want to comment, since his conception of theology might answer the questions put forward.

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jun 2012, at 10:44, R AM wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:08 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/12/2012 1:06 PM, R AM wrote: Isn't that randomness? No, it's unpredictablity - something we may fruitfully model by a mathematical theory of randomness even though the

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jun 2012, at 15:14, R AM wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Yes, but for the sake of the argument, I wanted you to consider the case where you are pretty certain about eating spaghetti. Defenders of free will would say that free

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.06.2012 18:24 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.06.2012 20:17 meekerdb said the following: Here's a thoughtful blog on the meaning of theology. Bruno may want to comment, since his conception of theology might answer the questions put forward.

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-13 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, semantics is a fundamental principle as long as we 'talk in wordly terms'. Did you get a letter from God Almighty confirming that there is nothing more FOR DECISIONMAKING than your brain and your environment? Sorry to denigrate a term within your profession, but we know close to nothing

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis, semantics is a fundamental principle as long as we 'talk in wordly terms'. Did you get a letter from God Almighty confirming that there is nothing more FOR DECISIONMAKING than your brain and your environment? Sorry