Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:49:37 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/5/2012 10:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:25:02 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: But you couldn't realise you felt

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:52:11 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/5/2012 10:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:32:21 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: I find that the least plausible

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: You interpret the existence spontaneous neural activity as meaning that something magical like this happens, but it doesn't mean that at all. Spontaneous is just that, spontaneous. It isn't magical. It is quite

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: No, it doesn't mean that at all. If the billion people interact so as to mimic the behaviour of the neurons in a brain, resulting in the ability to (for example) converse in natural language, then the idea is that the

Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Since Leibniz's metaphysics is perfectly logical, any logical proposition is true of his metaphysics. Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference 1. All monads with intellect can presumably have self-reference. 2. God is also a monad with intellect, being the supreme monad.

Re: maudlin's paper

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The man, in invoking the concept of empirical proofs, is still bewitched by materialism. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou All mental activity is out of the blue, meaning inextended, outside of spacetime. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content -

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I don't think you can separate a man's brain from his mind or vice versa, since the mind is the brain's monad and monads cannot be created or destroyed. At least according to Leibniz. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

2012-09-06 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: Put it differently, it is what the variable used in the theory represent. ExP(x) means that there is some number verifying P. But this makes no sense if you only consider the natural numbers. The just contain 123456789 + * and =. There is no notion of veryifying or

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
I must have missed something. What does the thinking of men have to do with evolution ? The evolution of plantlife ,at least, occurred before men were here. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could

Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Ruquist
The Roman Catholic Church believes that god has intention but not intelligence in agreement with Arithemetical Truth and neo-Platonism concept that self-reference is not possible for god. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Since Leibniz's metaphysics is

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-06 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Sep 2012, at 21:47, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, we simulated some systems, but they couldn't perform the same function. A pump does the function of an heart. No. A pump just pumps blood. The heart also performs endocrine functions, it

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou IMHO Intelligence, as I see it, is the ability to make choices autonomously (one's own choices). One could, if so desired, lie about something. Or create something nonscientific (a watercolor) Robot choices made by software or hardware are not autonomous because

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Ruquist
If the digital substitution is at the density of 10^90 pixels per cubic centimeter, as found in string theory, then digital substitution is essentially analog. Richard On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:31 AM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Sep 2012, at

Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Richard, Would it be a heresy to consider that God could have partial but not complete self-reference? On 9/6/2012 7:24 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: The Roman Catholic Church believes that god has intention but not intelligence in agreement with Arithemetical Truth and neo-Platonism

Could we have invented the prime numbers ? Ie, are they platonic or man-created ?

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou If the prime numbers were there from the beginning, before man, then I think they were mind-created (platonic) not brain-created (human creations). Are the prime numbers an invention by man or one of man's discoveries ? I believe that the prime numbers are not a human

Re: Could we have invented the prime numbers ?

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Roger, Could the mere possibility of being a number (without the specificity of which one) be considered to be there from the beginning? On 9/6/2012 7:47 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stathis Papaioannou If the prime numbers were there from the beginning, before man, then I think they

Re: Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Richard you are dishonest, especially if you are a catholic. I have posted this statement from Aquinas' Summa (like a bible to the catholic faith) to you previously. God is intelligence itself: http://dhspriory.org/thomas/Compendium.htm#31 CHAPTER 31 IDENTITY BETWEEN GOD AND HIS INTELLIGENCE

Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Yes, of course, but I wanted a more obvious, dramatic example. The philosophy of mathematics says something like the numbers belong to a static or eternal world, change itself is a property of geometry. Numbers and geometry thus belong to the platonic world, which is

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I must have missed something. What does the thinking of men have to do with evolution ? The evolution of plantlife ,at least, occurred before men were here. The question is whether philosophical zombies are possible or

Re: Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power of self-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, The Church has gone beyond Acquinas. It has a mechanism for evolving. Fundamentalist churches and temples and mosques have no such mechanism. Do not call me dishonest. I am still waiting for a link to where Leibniz himself says there is a supreme monad. That concept does not appear in his

Leibniz on heaven, hell, and zombies (?)

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou A fun question. I assume that zombies are the dead brought back to life somehow. That monads cannot be created or destroyed Is a peculiar feature of Leibniz's metaphysics that would enable the resurrection of zombies. Leibniz believed that even when we die, our monad will

Re: Re: Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power ofself-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Aquinas, being the truth, cannot be superceded. I don't know anything about catholic fundamentalist churches, but am suspicious that that's just a fantasy. The supreme monad is a critical feature without which we would remain blind and paralyzed. You need to think through

Re: Re: Re: Two Leibnizian proofs that God has the power ofself-reference

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Your insults are unnecessary. I do not depend on you. I just think you are mostly wrong and unable to back up what you claim to be true, even about Leibniz. So you think Acquinas is the truth and therefore god. Sobeit. Richard On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Roger Clough

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
All numbers can be defined in terms of sets. The question becomes this: do sets have ontological primacy relative to mankind or are sets invented or created by mankind? On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Yes, of course, but I wanted a

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Brian, can be defined ... implies the necessary existence of something or process or whatever that does the act of defining the set. Truth values do not do this, btw. Sets are collections defined in terms of functions, but numbers in-themselves are not those functions.. Unless you

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that sets and membership cannot be defined in terms of a more primary mathematical concept. Functions can be defined in terms of this primitive called sets. Numbers are sets; natural numbers are defined directly in terms of sets (via the Von Neumann

Re: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Brian Tenneson I'm just to establish the fact that numbers are a priori and so not created by man. Given that, it doesn't matter if sets are a priori or not. Presumably (I am not a mathematician) you cannot have sets without numbers, so the numbers rule. Roger Clough,

Re: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Brian Tenneson Could be, but I'll stick with Kronecer. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Brian Tenneson Receiver: everything-list

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 11:09 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that sets and membership cannot be defined in terms of a more primary mathematical concept. Functions can be defined in terms of this primitive called sets. Numbers are sets; natural numbers are

Re: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
Sure you can have sets without numbers. The popular set theory's development known as ZFC is not based on numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory Numbers are defined in terms of sets. What that means is that all numbers are sets but not all sets are numbers. I

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Roger, Why is it that people persist in even suggesting that numbers are created by man? Why the anthropocentric bias? Pink Ponies might have actually crated them, or Polka-dotted Unicorns! The idea is just silly! The point is that properties do not occur at the whim of any one

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2012 11:18 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Intention is not magic and doesn't need hypothetical permission to exist. If your words are random ricochets of quantum radioactive decay or thermodynamic anomalies, then they are meaningless noise. You can't account for them because any accounting

Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
I couldn't agree more. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Dear Roger, Why is it that people persist in even suggesting that numbers are created by man? Why the anthropocentric bias? Pink Ponies might have actually crated them, or Polka-dotted

Re: There is no such thing as cause and effect

2012-09-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Las Vegas has no function either. Yes it does, Las Vegas functions to make money and give people pleasure, the pyramids gave nobody pleasure at the time they were built except perhaps for the Pharaoh; and they failed

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Roger, I know, Roger. I was addressing John Clark, who confirmed my feeling that atheists are the number one defender of the Christian's conception of God. Your's is obviously closer to Plato and the general machine's theology. It is bit sad you don't listen to what the machines

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world. Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science. It has another meaning in physics, which I have never make complete sense of, as it is unclear

The Unprivacy of Information

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
(reposting from my blog http://s33light.org/post/31001294447) If I’m right, then the slogan “information wants to be free” is not just an intuition about social policy, but rather an insight into the ontological roots of information itself. To be more precise, it isn’t that information wants

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 08:38, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2012 10:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 12:38 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2012 8:59 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Notice that both the duplication and the teleportation, as discussed,

Re: Why the Church-Turing thesis?

2012-09-06 Thread benjayk
Jason Resch-2 wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:57 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.comwrote: It seems that the Church-Turing thesis, that states that an universal turing machine can compute everything that is intuitively computable, has near universal acceptance among computer

Re: There is no such thing as cause and effect

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:03:33 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Las Vegas has no function either. Yes it does, Las Vegas functions to make money and give people pleasure, the pyramids gave nobody pleasure at

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 17:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:50:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 03:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taking another look at Sane2004. This isn't so much as a challenge to Bruno, just sharing my notes of why I disagree.

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 17:34, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal God also created time, and anyway eternity is timeless, not sure if spacless. I can accept this as a rough sum up of some theory (= hypothesis; + consequences), not as an explanation per se. As an explanation, it is

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: I don't think that life or mind or intelligence can be teleported. Especially since nobody knows what they are. I also don't believe that you can download the contents of somebody's brain. This is just restating that you don't believe in comp.

Re: Reality

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 19:24, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz, my mentor, believed that reality (being mental) consists of an infinite collection of (inextended) mathematical points called monads. These can never be created or destroyed. Like the numbers. Note this, the numbers 1, 2, 3 in front of

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/6/2012 11:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Consciousness does not arise. It is not in space, nor in time. Its local content, obtained by differentiation, internally can refer to time and space, Even if it is not *in* spacetime, my consciousness seems to depend on some particular localized

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 20:28, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 9:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Sep 2012, at 17:48, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/4/2012 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 12:04, benjayk wrote: Strangely you agree for the 1-p viewpoint. But given that's what

Re: God has no self-reference power at all

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 20:34, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 9:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The neoplatonist conception of God does not allow It to ask such a question. Nor does Arithmetical Truth. God has no self-reference power at all, as this would make it inconsistent. Dear Bruno,

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This is a confusion of levels. Logic is rules about truth preservation in declarative

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 21:36, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2012 8:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Put in another way: there is no ontological hardware. The hardware and wetware are emergent on the digital basic ontology (which can be described by numbers or combinators as they describe the same

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2012, at 22:24, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 11:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:01, Russell Standish wrote: For certain choices of this or that, the ultimate reality is actually unknowable. For instance, the choice of a Turing complete basis means that

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:02:02 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 17:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:50:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 03:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taking another look at Sane2004. This isn't so

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Sep 2012, at 13:16, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Put it differently, it is what the variable used in the theory represent. ExP(x) means that there is some number verifying P. But this makes no sense if you only consider the natural numbers. The just contain 123456789 + *

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Sep 2012, at 13:31, benjayk wrote: Quantum effects beyond individual brains (suggested by psi) can't be computed as well: No matter what I compute in my brain, this doesn't entangle it with other brains since computation is classical. The UD emulates all quantum computer, as they do

prime numbers etc

2012-09-06 Thread John Mikes
Stathis wrote (to Craig): *But you believe that the neurochemicals do things contrary to what chemists would predict, for example an ion channel opening or closing without any cause such as a change in transmembrane potential or ligand concentration. We've talked about this before and it just

Re: The morality of capitalism

2012-09-06 Thread John Mikes
In this post the editing differences are washed away, the statements melt together with the responses to them. I was careful to use different font-distinctions and it all came out here like a mud. I think that is unfair. John Mikes On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 1:21 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world. Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science. It has another meaning in physics, which I have never

Re: consciousness as the experiencre of time

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2012 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:11:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. There may a problem with this, but its seems that if mind is everywhere (is inextended, so space is irrelevant), I am always part of the

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/6/2012 4:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/6/2012 1:21 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world. Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science. It has

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p. Computers don't and can't. Big sdifference. Hi Roger, 锟斤拷� Please leave

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2012 12:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Roger, On 05 Sep 2012, at 17:23, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal No, the supreme Monad can see everything even though the monads have no windows. Also the closeness to God issue depends on your clarity of vision and feeling. And perhaps

Re: The universe as a collection of an infinite number of points called monads

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2012 12:57 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal You raise an interesting point If all of the monads had to be existing at the beginning of the universe, what if I build a new computer ? Dear Roger, The point is that the physical stuff is NOT ontologically primitive. It

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:37:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/5/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p.

Re: consciousness as the experiencre of time

2012-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:31:25 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/5/2012 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:11:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. There may a problem with this, but its seems that if mind is

Re: The Unprivacy of Information

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 1:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: (reposting from my blog http://s33light.org/post/31001294447) If I’m right, then the slogan “information wants to be free” is not just an intuition about social policy, but rather an insight into the ontological roots of information itself. To be

Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 7:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:37:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/5/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King No, the stuff in our

Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 1:44 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 08:38, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2012 10:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2012 12:38 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2012 8:59 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: snip What is most interesting

Re: Why the Church-Turing thesis?

2012-09-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:47 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.comwrote: Jason Resch-2 wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:57 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.comwrote: It seems that the Church-Turing thesis, that states that an universal turing machine can compute

Re: prime numbers etc

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:07 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis wrote (to Craig): But you believe that the neurochemicals do things contrary to what chemists would predict, for example an ion channel opening or closing without any cause such as a change in transmembrane potential

Re: consciousness as the experiencre of time

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/6/2012 8:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:31:25 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/5/2012 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:11:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. There may a

Re: Leibniz on heaven, hell, and zombies (?)

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stathis Papaioannou A fun question. I assume that zombies are the dead brought back to life somehow. That monads cannot be created or destroyed Is a peculiar feature of Leibniz's metaphysics that would enable the