On 21 Sep 2012, at 03:28, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 12:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:48:15 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
It's not doing the computations that is hard, the computations are
already there. The problem is learning their results.
The
On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal
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On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp.
If the version of comp we are discussing here is
On 20 Sep 2012, at 20:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A modal logic of probability is given by the behavior of the
probability one. In Kripke terms, P(x) = 1 in world
On 21 Sep 2012, at 03:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 12:26 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp.
If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of
physics, then shouldn't
On 20 Sep 2012, at 21:46, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 7:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
I would say that one necessary ability for
life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off
from its environment and thus to be
Hi Jason Resch
In the Platonic world space and time don't exist.
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9/21/2012
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I think we should only use the word exists only when we are
referring to physical existence. Thus I can truthfully say,
for example, that God does not exist.
Wikipedia says, In common usage, it [existence]
is the world we are aware of through our senses,
and that persists
Hi Stephen P. King
If by exist I mean physically exi,sts
and by lives I mean nonphysically exists,
Then
Computers exist.
Computer programs live.
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9/21/2012
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Hi Stephen P. King
Platonia doesn't exist, it lives.
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9/21/2012
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Hi Stephen P. King
The self is the monarch of your personal world.
It is you in the personal sense.*
It perceives, it controls, it knows, it does,
it remembers, it lives.
Since the self is nonphysical, I say that it lives rather than exists.
Anything that lives is autonomous, anything that
On 9/21/2012 1:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Stephen P. King
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
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Rex,
Do you have a non-platonist explanation for
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
Reflected eternal song(s) dressed in the illusion of time. As far as I
can see: proportions, relationships, ratios.
That's what I
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Rex,
Do you have a non-platonist
On 9/21/2012 4:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 03:28, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 12:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:48:15 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
It's not doing the computations that is hard, the computations
are already
On 9/21/2012 4:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp.
I see all of our experiences, including dreams and delusions as being
physical, but not necessarily “real”. To me, realism is a loose term
describing the ‘middle of the road’ range of experiences in which bodies
and minds are clearly separate. The contrasting ‘unreal’ ranges are the
On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But the numbers build an arithmetic body
The numbers arithmetically dream of a non arithmetic body.
and then populate a space with multiple copies of it... so that they
can implement the UD.
No, they are implemented by the UD, which exists like
On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
And computationalists are cool as they don't think twice before
giving the restaurant menu to the puppet who asks politely. They
don't judge people from their religion, skin color, clothes, or if
made of wood, or metal or flesh, as long as they
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On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 21:46, Stephen P. King wrote:
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Dear Bruno,
Did you mean both the 3p-self and the non-nameable 1p-self? How
does the 1p-self name itself?
It cannot. In logic name is for definite description. The 3-self can
name itself
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:16:19 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Physical computers are assembled substances which exhibit exceptionally
normative, controllable, and observable behaviors.
Craig
To understand a thing is to
On Friday, September 21, 2012 4:18:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Here's another reductio ad absurdum
Hi Stephen P. King and all
The problems imagined by materialists in invoking dualism
are just that - imaginary-- as long as mind is unextended
and brain is extended. And the so-called hard problem of consciousness
and the cartesian problem of interfacing or superimposing
mind and brain simply
Hi Craig Weinberg
Thwe ideal vacuum is still in spacetime.
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9/21/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On 21 Sep 2012, at 16:24, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/21/2012 4:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Sep 2012, at 03:28, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/20/2012 12:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:48:15 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
It's not doing the computations
On 9/21/2012 11:05 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 21 Sep 2012, at 12:21, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I think we should only use the word exists only when we are
referring to physical existence.
Hmm That might aggravate the naturalist or materialist human
penchant.
Thus I can truthfully say,
for example, that God
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm curious about what a plausible fictionalist account of the
Mandelbrot set could be. Is fictionalism the same as constructivism,
or the
Hi,
Anyone serious about knowing truths must either spend its life trying to
define the concept of existence and fighting for it or
to discard it for all uses. The concept of phisical exsitence has a
primitive utilitary nature: Are there men in the other side of the
mountain?. This urgent need to
On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:47:15 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
Reflected eternal song(s) dressed in the illusion
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:51:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Thwe ideal vacuum is still in spacetime.
It's in ideal spacetime.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net javascript:
9/21/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King and all
The problems imagined by materialists in invoking dualism
are just that - imaginary-- as long as mind is unextended
and brain is extended. And the so-called hard problem of consciousness
and
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/21/2012 11:05 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 1:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Stephen P.
On 21 Sep 2012, at 17:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
And computationalists are cool as they don't think twice before
giving the restaurant menu to the puppet who asks politely. They
don't judge people from their religion, skin color, clothes, or
On 9/21/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 20:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A modal logic of probability is given by the behavior of the probability
On 9/21/2012 5:40 AM, Rex Allen wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012
On 9/21/2012 8:05 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Rex Allen
Just to avoid confusion, this sentence:
*I would say that mathematics is just very tightly plotted fiction where so
many details of the story are known up front that the plot can only
progress in very specific ways if it is to remain consistent and believable
to the reader.*
Should probably be:
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10:10 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
I didn't mean to say that any information can be functionally useful
without qualia, only that there is a proof of concept for the principle
that some information can be used functionally without qualia. This is why
On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system happens
as by-product of its development by engineers?
To me, it seems that meaning that you have defined in Mars
Rovers is yet another theory
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On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:19 PM,
On 9/21/2012 12:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 8:59 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sep 21, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com
mailto:rexallen31...@gmail.com
Post from my blog:
Simple as that, really. From psychological discoveries of the subconscious
and unconscious, to cognitive bias and logical fallacies, to
quasi-religious faith in artificial intelligence, we seem to have a mental
blind spot for emotional realities.
What could be more human
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