On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems
are
solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you (I'm surely
misinterpreting), it seems like you're
On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems...
NP-hard problems are
solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you
(I'm surely
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the thesis
that we cannot
prove that objects outside us exist. This results directly from Descartes'
proposition
that the only thing I cannot doubt is that I exist (solipsism).
If
Hi meekerdb
There are a number of theories to explain the collapse of the quantum wave
function
(see below).
1) In subjective theories, the collapse is attributed
to consciousness (presumably of the intent or decision to make
a measurement).
2) In objective or decoherence theories, some
Hi Bruno Marchal
SNIP
ROGER: OK, but computers can't experience anything,
it would be simulated experience. Not arbitrarily available.
But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the point of
view of the owner or liver of the experience. According to some
theory. You
Hi Bruno Marchal
Numbers and calculations are not subjective,
for they are mindless.
Which means they can't experience anything.
They're dead in the water.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/23/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
- Receiving the
Hi Bruno Marchal
Nothing is true, even comp, until it is proven by experiment.
Can you think of an experiment to verify comp ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/23/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
I saw a paper once on the possibility of the universe
inventing itself as it goes along. I forget the result
or why, but it had to do with the amount of information
in the universe, the amount needed to do such a calc,
etc. Is some limnit exceeded ?
Roger Clough,
On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/22/2012 12:51 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/10/22 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
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On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I stopped
On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, October 22, 2012 12:28:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the point of
view of the owner or liver of the experience. According to some
theory. You can't talk like if you knew
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Bruno,
My own subjectivity is 1p. I don't believe a computer can
have consciousness, but suppose we let the computer have
consciousness as well.
Let a descriptor be 3p. Let my consciousness = 1p
But the
Computers, materialism and subjective/objective dyslexia
In materialism there is no self, it is implied.
This works in most cases, except if the case involves the
self or subjectivity. The problem with that situation is that,
without a self to be subjective, there can be no subjectivity.
Hence
On 22 Oct 2012, at 21:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
C3PO would be a phylosophical zombie. It would not?
If you assume non-comp, or just non-strong AI.
Bruno
2012/10/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 10/22/2012 3:12 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
SNIP
Hi Bruno and Roger,
What
Bruno was born 100 years too late, he would have predicted quantum mechanics.
Saibal
Citeren Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Nothing is true, even comp, until it is proven by experiment.
Can you think of an experiment to verify comp ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:15:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, October 22, 2012 12:28:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the point of
view of the owner or liver
On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems
are
solvable algorithmically... but
On 10/23/2012 9:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
I saw a paper once on the possibility of the universe
inventing itself as it goes along. I forget the result
or why, but it had to do with the amount of information
in the universe, the amount needed to do such a calc,
etc. Is some
On 10/23/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, October 22, 2012 12:28:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the
point of
view of the owner or liver of the experience.
On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:21:30 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Oct 2012, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, October 22, 2012 12:28:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But that's what the brain does, simulate
Hi, Stephen,
you wrote some points in accordance with my thinking (whatever that is
worth) with one point I disagree with:
if you want to argue a point, do not accept it as a base for your argument
(even negatively not). You do that all the time. (SPK? etc.) -
My fundamental question: what do you
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the thesis
that we cannot
prove that objects
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the
thesis that we cannot
prove that objects outside us exist. This results directly from Descartes'
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific
temporal order only if I perceive
something permanent by reference to which I can determine their
On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems...
NP-hard
On 10/23/2012 3:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal
order only if I perceive
something permanent by reference
On 10/23/2012 3:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I don't understand why
On 10/23/2012 4:53 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Hi, Stephen,
you wrote some points in accordance with my thinking (whatever that is
worth) with one point I disagree with:
if you want to argue a point, do not accept it as a base for your
argument (even negatively not). You do that all the time. (SPK?
On 10/23/2012 5:47 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's
On 10/23/2012 5:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
There are a number of theories to explain the collapse of the quantum wave
function
(see below).
1) In subjective theories, the collapse is attributed
to consciousness (presumably of the intent or decision to make
a measurement).
There
On Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:19:08 AM UTC+10:30, Rex Allen wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason Resch
jason...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen
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wrote:
But I also deny that mechanism can account for
On 10/23/2012 7:16 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 3:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
snip
But you wrote, Both require the prior existence of a solution to a
NP-Hard problem. An existence that is
On 10/23/2012 6:33 PM, Max Gron wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:19:08 AM UTC+10:30, Rex Allen wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason Resch jason...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen rexall...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
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