Re: Re: Berkeley, Plato and Leibniz on existence

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I think it is safe to treat the One as something that at least has the features of the Christian God (or I suppose any god)-- omniscient, omnipresent, etc. Leibniz created his metaphysics to allow everything to happen as ideas, not physically. All of the action occurs in the

Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal and all-- Rather than living in such a dreary scientific world, yhe point is to escape from the world of science into the world of Mind. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-23, 11:07:09 Subject: Re: Is there

Why the categories seem to be essential

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal That Is why IMHO Peirce's categories seem necessary to this project. I. For what we experience comes from Firstness, raw experience. The computer cannot duplicate that, for that state is subjective, which means a living, symbol-free experience. It has no symbolic form yet.

Re: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-23, 12:37:35 Subject: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it. On Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Period, meaning that's it. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-23, 12:48:50 Subject: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2004 suggested that atheists might have a higher suicide rate than theists.[10] According to William Bainbridge, atheism is common among people whose social obligations are weak and is also connected to lower fertility

Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-24 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Belief . . . from history of physics. =. Many years Max Planck was attracted with the absolutely black body problem. If quantum of light moving with speed c=1 falls in the area of absolutely black body and does not radiate back, then “ terminal dead “ will come. In order to save the quantum

meditation

2013-01-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi all, I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of oneness with the universe, non separation, etc. Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing it's complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer moments. Could it be that what's

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
I always considered h to just be a constant of proportionality between energy and frequency that is determined empirically. What a quantum particle is may be metaphysical- that is, beyond measurement and subject to belief. For example I believe in a Quantum Mind- Physical world duality where

Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread John Clark
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because Protestant thinking is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin Luther knew perfectly well that religious ideas cannot survive the slightest amount of rational analysis without completely falling apart, but his

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self esteem of self-proclaimed rationalists neither an insult-you-an-infidel theraphy group. 2013/1/24 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because Protestant thinking is every bit

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
Something that intrigues me is that arithmetics does not seem to exist in the primordial singularity that spawned the 14d Metaverse nor in any singularities that that spawned 12d universes because the quantum fields in the singularities are not discrete. In order to get a discrete structure

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Genesis doesn't say anything about God being grand and complex as far as I know. It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent being was complex it certainly should have. And Darwin provided

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 7:32 AM, John Clark wrote: I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because Protestant thinking is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin Luther knew perfectly well that religious ideas cannot survive the slightest amount of rational analysis

Re: Re: A blind man creating a rock by tripping on it.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:45:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion. Obviously you can't defend your criticism. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript:

Re: Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, you can see that in two current junk science cults: (a) materialism (b) climate change What I can see is that your responses seem to be generated by this logic tree: Do I Understand It?

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s. After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with, and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world leadership in science to where it is today.

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 8:17 AM, John Clark wrote: It's a three letter word and it is not explained at all, I know. That's the problem. Interestingly, in Aramaic the word was Elohim, and my jewish/anthropologist friend tells me that's a plural. So it should have been translated gods, except that

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jan 2013, at 15:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:58:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi John Clark From his hostile postings, Craig seems to have been very very badly hurt by the Christian Church sometime in the past. Haha, not at all. Some of my best memories in

Re: remarkable female chess master

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jan 2013, at 15:28, Roger Clough wrote: Hi - This national geographic special shows a young hungarian lady who can essentially play and win five games of chess blindfolded. Instead of a blindfold, here she is playing only by voice to voice over a mobile phone. Her father, a

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s. After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with, and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:17:30 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Genesis doesn't say anything about God being grand and complex as far as I know. It certainly says God is grand and if it

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: meditation

2013-01-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
I imagine your story as a Calvin and Hobbes strip :) On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I once had the experience of oneness with the universe. As an almost teenager one winter I was sliding in an apple orchard 1/2 mile from home. It was so much fun

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is larguely a myth, as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people in the world believe that Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:44:41 PM

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:46:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Period, meaning that's it. I know what you meant by period. If you noticed, I attached a list of serial killers who followed what they understood to be the voice of God. The implication is that if you

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Psychiatryin 2004 suggested that atheists might have a higher suicide rate than

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:59:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-24 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
But your question really is what does a physical particle look like? My answer is that they look like strings. But I have to admit that strings are still concepts in the regime of metaphysics.. . . . So string theory IS my religion. / Richard Ruquist / Do you advise me to believe in your

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: But your question really is what does a physical particle look like? My answer is that they look like strings. But I have to admit that strings are still concepts in the regime of metaphysics.. . . . So

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism. Why? It is simple to understand: The three of them were against the use of

Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe that. You think that you turn the Mars rover on and there is some entity there which has an expectation

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Arithmetical truth is a sort of block-brains-in-a-vat This is what I mean by the term Quantum Mind I think of the Quantum Mind as a Block Metaverse containing all

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is larguely a myth, As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 9:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Psychiatry in 2004 suggested that atheists might have

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The world okeanos, (ocean) was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece was at the center. The XII century, the time of Juachim de Fiore, and the

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism. They were anti-rationlism,

Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 9:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe that. You think that you turn the Mars rover on and

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:13:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/24 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors of the most radical forms of

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The world okeanos, (ocean) was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece was at the center. The

Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:17:12 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 9:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Arithmetical truth is a sort of block-brains-in-a-vat This is what I mean by the term Quantum

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:31:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript:

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent being was complex it certainly should have. Ah, so we are talking about what you think Genesis should have said rather than what it actually

Re: Robot reading vs human reading

2013-01-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:31:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at

Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:45:55 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent being was complex it certainly should have. Ah, so we are

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The Stalinist and Maoists were hardly 'scientific', they just weren't theists. For example, they rejected Darwin just like Baptists do. They were as scientific as your global warmist friends. Really? Where are their peer-reviewed

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/1/24 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks believed that the earth was

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:48, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and all-- Rather than living in such a dreary scientific world, yhe point is to escape from the world of science into the world of Mind. Those worlds are not necessarily separated. Bruno - Receiving the following

Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Resch
Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen. Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at

Re: meditation

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of oneness with the universe, non separation, etc. Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing it's complexity. Simpler states have

Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of what the experimenter knows about the physical

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Fascinating. I described in this list that the future of humanity would be our coming back to bacteria form, in such giant brain form, as it is more suitable to survive long period, and explore the galaxy, and enough to emulate our usual realities we are fond of, but apparently bacteria

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Oops sorry, it was an old post! But I really love those bacteria. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Resch
John, I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity ). The concept is also not dissimilar to the Neti Neti (Not this, not that) explanation of Brahman in Hindusim ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neti_neti ) or the

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread John Mikes
Brent: I hold you in a much higher standard than being a participant in such tongue-lashing about topics absolutely not fitting the Everything List and its goals. Could we save (use?) this list for reasonable scientific discussion? \ Does anybody have a 'fitting' topic we could discuss? For many

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several religions And in those religions how did a simpleton God make life? Darwin provided the mechanism by which Evolution did it, so those religions

Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-24 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: WHAT 'evidences'??? we have no way to judge them. We either *accept* the (belief-based) figment as REAL - i.e. TRUE, *or not*. The first case we call 'evidence'. Or: justification. Then base our belief (even system) on such. John (M) On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Jason Resch
John, Before we proceed in meaningless circles, how do you define the word religion? Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Craig. The concept of divine

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:54:03 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: A two year old can understand what God is supposed to be. A two year old can't understand how something simple can know everything and neither

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live, you may be isolated and reviled. Is that really true? I was in the US

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live, you may be isolated and

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it may be hard

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: It's probably a lot simpler than that.

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeek...@verizon.net

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2013 8:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't know that not being able to talk to others about your (non) religious beliefs would be cause for suicide though. Not a cause, just the absence of a little prevention. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:14 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: evolution is complex and counter-intuitive. The basic idea behind Evolution is not complex but it is counter-intuitive because the human mind

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/24/2013 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:14 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: evolution is complex and counter-intuitive. The basic idea behind Evolution is not