Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
My best example is the Harvard basketball team which is now getting players into the NBA. I ran with the cross country team when I was there as a grad student. They all got in because of their running ability, not their intelligence. That was back in the early 1960s. So athletes have always had

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a

No Man Is An Island - This applies to Leibniz's metaphysics of the person

2013-04-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi This applies to Leibniz's metaphysics of the person- Roger Clough No Man Is An Island No man is an island, Entire of itself. Each is a piece of the continent, A part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less. As well as if a promontory were. As well as if a manor

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
As an European, this is all a bit foreign (and terrifying) to me. From what I read and hear from American friends I've worked with, there's another disturbing aspect. Even if you don't get in through sports, you have to essentially destroy your childhood by devoting all of your free time to

Re: Losing Control

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:47:49 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: So you are saying that my arm moves at random times like the lottery pays off randomly? How come I can predict when I am about to

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 2:44 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
Mathematics itself seems rather magical. For instance the sum 1+2+3+4+5.infinity = -1/12 And according to Scott Aaronson's new book when string theorists estimate the mass of a photon they get two components: one being 1/12 and the other being that sum, so the mass is zero, thanks to

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:30:05 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Mathematics itself seems rather magical. For instance the sum 1+2+3+4+5.infinity = -1/12 And according to Scott Aaronson's new book when string theorists estimate the mass of a photon they get two components: one

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 10:15:27 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:31, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:31:08 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Did you notify a change in your behaviour after that? 2013/4/12 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi John,

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
Telmo, I can only give you my opinion. You are of course referring to the double slit experiment where one photon can follow at least two different paths, and potentially an infinite number of paths. But even diffraction of a single photon will do that: in the simplest case send a photon on to a

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33:13 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/11/2013 10:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? Does Craig have degree? I have a

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo, I can only give you my opinion. Thanks Richard. You are of course referring to the double slit experiment where one photon can follow at least two different paths, and potentially an infinite number of paths.

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I enunciated above a falsable theory about ND experiences. I said that they were the result of a mythopoeic faculty of the human mind in order to realign the future behaviour of the individual for doing the best for the whole group in which their genes are represented. The reason of this

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Did you notify a change in your behaviour after that? It's so hard to tell... I believe I became less interested in pursuing social status. But that could also be attributed to an increasingly clear realisation of the

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.04.2013 16:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
But then we're still left without a theory that could explain the behaviour of a single photon without resorting to randomness, correct? No. There is no theory that can tell us where a single photon will go within the infinite-photon-number diffraction pattern. Take my word for that. In the

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 10:40:33 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 2:09:05 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: In my view, randomness = magic. Obviously every cause has a event or it wouldn't be a cause, but I know of no law of logic that demands every event have a cause; therefore magic may be illogical but randomness is not.

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:20:46 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comjavascript: wrote: In my view, randomness = magic. Obviously every cause has a event or it wouldn't be a cause, but I know of no law of logic that

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
The problem with electronic publishing is that for the most part such papers are not peer reviewed. The one exception I know of is the Journal of Cosmology- from personal experience. They rejected my paper because my references were to the online arXiv.com rather than peer reviewed print journals.

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread John Mikes
Craig: ...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the seats on a train. If a piece of the plane fell off though, then we would

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 4:58:31 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: Craig: ...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the seats

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-12 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, thanks for the consenting remarks to my post. HOWEVER you wrote: *...Some non-toxic and non-addictive drugs provokes NDE or alike. Anyone, with a few practice, can see by itself.* * * *I have a theory that salvia might go farer, and be a genuine DEAD experience. You have the choice to

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Telmo Menezes wrote: ...My understanding is that it's consistent with the MWI and also with what Russel proposes in his book: everything happens but each observer only perceives one of the outcomes. This seems highly unintuitive to a lot of people, but it seems more reasonable to me than the idea

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Maybe it was never 'really' random. But your point seems to assume the premise that there is a reason for its actions other than it just does what it does... What is reason? On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: It's a bit odd to ask why a random event happened; if

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Craig, That is interesting, relating 1st person clocking behavior to random decay rates. We know that there is a average decay rate and we can determine it rather accurately - just gather a huge pile of stochastic decay data and grind it through the statistical algorithm. The hard part

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi John, It seems to me that the very idea of singular causes and singular effects is deeply flawed. Can you point to a few examples of singular causes? All examples that I can think of have a line of regress behind them... On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: ...My understanding is that it's consistent with the MWI and also with what Russel proposes in his book: everything happens but each observer only perceives one of the outcomes. This

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stathis Papaioannou Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013 11:30 AM To:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
I would not say more fundamental... I would say, equally. We can not derive one completely from the other. On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote:

Hey look, a well written article...

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
...which fully supports my entire philosophy of science and understanding of free will. http://mills.quora.com/Free-Will-and-the-Fallibility-of-Science/comments?__ac__=1#comment200399 Free Will and the Fallibility of Science *Mills Baker http://www.quora.com/Mills-Baker * *5* votes by David

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread meekerdb
On 4/12/2013 6:57 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: ...My understanding is that it's consistent with the MWI and also with what Russel proposes in his book: everything happens but each observer

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread meekerdb
On 4/12/2013 7:06 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stathis Papaioannou Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013 11:30 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why do particles

Re: Hey look, a well written article...

2013-04-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ...which fully supports my entire philosophy of science and understanding of free will. http://mills.quora.com/Free-Will-and-the-Fallibility-of-Science/comments?__ac__=1#comment200399 Free Will and the Fallibility

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
I agree Brent, but that assumes that logic is limited to distributive lattice structures. We know better! On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:15 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/12/2013 6:57 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make predictions about random events. Ohh, so it's the special randomness which can be predicted by deterministic theories. Random until it isn't.