participatory anthropic principle biocentrism

2013-04-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Craig, Have you discussed about this? It seems that it is in your line of though: http://kwelos.tripod.com/anthropism.htm http://biocentricity.net/ -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies one of the core issues. The Hard Problem of Consciousness is confusing to people

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
No computer I have ever worked on has ever been conscious of anything that it is doing. Hi Craig, On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:44:31 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Ummm, Craig, you couldn't tell if you

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
No computer I have ever worked on has ever been conscious of anything that it is doing. ... Hi Craig, How could you possibly know this to be true or false? Consciousness is not 3p falsifiable! Seriously, Turing tests... LOL! Umm, I think that we all can safely ignore your post here as some kind

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:01:21 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies

Re: participatory anthropic principle biocentrism

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 4:26:02 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Craig, Have you discussed about this? It seems that it is in your line of though: http://kwelos.tripod.com/anthropism.htm http://biocentricity.net/ Thanks Alberto, I don't think that I've talked about

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a universe defined purely by function, that qualia cannot be possible. What this means

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: snip It is more easy to see the irrationality of others than of

Re: Can anyone explain this ?

2013-04-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: But language is tied to evolution, since we have evolved the ability to speak, with large parts of the brain dedicated to this function. Parrots can speak too. But they lack the genes encoding for a brain capable

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:29:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/18/2013 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: It's been proposed that the susceptibility to mutation is itself a characteristic

Re: Everett's Long Thesis

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:22, Jason Resch wrote: I came across this today, I am only partway through but so far I have found it to be a very interesting read. It is quite refreshing to read this theory from its original source, rather than in some processed and misinterpreted form in which

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it impossible to conceive of consciousness as residing anywhere other than in the

Moslem peace march ?

2013-04-19 Thread Roger Clough
After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace March. A tbhousand man moslem peace march. - Christ plante Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/19/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:30:16 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Qualia are generated, With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth seen from some point of view. They cannot even been defined, but it can be shown that they obeys to some laws (including the maws of not being

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comwrote: But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread John Mikes
Craig - John - this is to the hard-to-identify last part of your combined and mixed post signed by John K C. about the 'consciousness' (C) part. I know that* intelligence* is a requirement of consciousness, just identify intelligence appropriately.G. - I like to indentify *i* with the Latin

Re: Can anyone explain this ?

2013-04-19 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, forgive me if I expect better from you. * Parrots can speak too. But they lack the genes encoding for a brain capable of human level speech, regardless of the environment.* * * Can you fly like a parrot? or roar like a lion? We even have no good idea how the ape-ancestor started to grow

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrot A deterministic reality We don't know that reality is deterministic and in fact right now the overwhelming evidence very strongly suggests that it is not. might be unable to make an error at the bottom level, but if it

Re: Can anyone explain this ?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:22 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: But language is tied to evolution, since we have evolved the ability to speak, with large parts of the brain dedicated to this function.

Re: Moslem peace march ?

2013-04-19 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:\ After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace March. A tbhousand man moslem peace march. I would much rather see a thousand Muslims wise up and publicly abandon their religion. I think that right

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:59:34 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:29:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/18/2013 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: It's

Re: Moslem peace march ?

2013-04-19 Thread smitra
Citeren John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:\ After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace March. A tbhousand man moslem peace march. I would much rather see a thousand Muslims wise up and publicly

Re: Can anyone explain this ?

2013-04-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/4/17 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Animal psychology is clearly adaptive. No one denies that. Animal behavior is adaptive, but that doesn't mean that psychology follows only from behavior. Psychology is a

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Can anyone explain this ?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:07:33 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: 2013/4/17 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Animal psychology is clearly adaptive. No one denies that. Animal behavior is adaptive,

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Terren Suydam
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:

Re: Improving The Hard Problem

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 4:39:11 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg

Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread smitra
It is whatever an algorithm is computing. All the information is in the computational state. If you have pain in your knee then exactly what you are experiencing must be unambiguously present in the computational state of your brain. Saibal -- You received this message because you are

Re: Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:59:28 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: It is whatever an algorithm is computing. All the information is in the computational state. If you have pain in your knee then exactly what you are experiencing must be unambiguously present in the computational state

Re: Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread John Clark
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 8:31:39 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do. Yeah, it's a big mystery. To you. Like Free Will. The context of the

Re: Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread meekerdb
On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote: The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do. I'm not so sure of the problem, but I'm pretty sure of the solution. When we can build AI robots

Re: Hard Problem not hard at all?

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:26:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote: The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do. I'm not so sure of the