Re: Materialism is a joke

2013-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jun 2013, at 01:20, Roger Clough wrote: Materialism is a joke Materialism is a view of the universe that claims that the only existence in the universe is physical or objective existence--that only objects moving in spacetime exist. Which is disproven by the fact that if you

Re: Materialism is a joke

2013-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Jun 2013, at 01:20, Roger Clough wrote: Materialism is a joke Materialism is a view of the universe that claims that the only existence in the universe is physical or objective existence--that only objects moving

That the universe is not substantial, but only a set of experimental protocols

2013-06-04 Thread Roger Clough
That the universe is ultimately mathematical My proposal is that the universe can ultimately only be described pragmatically-- that is, in mathematical terms, by its experimental behavior. That matter itself is only a logical implication derived experimentally by cause and effect. Which means

RE: Materialism is a joke

2013-06-04 Thread chris peck
This is a theorem, once we suppose the mind is Turing emulable. not actually a theorem if we don't, tho' ? More to the point, it might well be that materialism IS a joke. But Roger's attempt to show this is no closer to the mark than Dr. Johnson kicking his stone was to disproving idealism.