Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-19 Thread Terren Suydam
Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain norms and then not follow them helped build civilization. Telmo, Given all the intellectual skills one could identify, that is a strong claim. Would you

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-19 Thread Telmo Menzies
Sent from my iPad On 19.08.2013, at 15:10, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, it's useful. I'm actually of the opinion that hypocrisy is our most important intellectual skill. The ability to advertise certain norms and then not follow them helped build civilization. Hi

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 August 2013 04:01, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The objection that the terms ‘consciousness’ or ‘free will’ are used in too many different ways to be understandable is one of the most common arguments that I run into. I agree that it is a superficially valid objection,

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: If you expect the AI to interact either directly or indirectly with the outside dangerous real world (and the machine would be useless if you didn't) then you sure as hell had better make him be interested in self-preservation!

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-19 Thread meekerdb
On 8/19/2013 7:37 AM, Telmo Menzies wrote: Hi Terren, Hypocrisy allows us to overcome tragedy of the commons type situations. Purely rational and selfish agents recognize the prisoner dilemma and act accordingly. How to force cooperation? One way is to limit the rationality of animals, but