Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-25 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:01:48PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it... Hi Russell ~ In the sense, that by having a sense of self we have inescapably already separated our self from any possibility of seeing from the perspective of a

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: We are now approaching a point where we can have supercomputers with the same estimated computational power of a human brain, but we are very far from replicating its capabilities. Very far? Chess is a very narrow case

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened, You sir are an ass. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread smitra
If I think that: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened, it ended up exposing the fascist Neo-Cons for what they were. The Neo-Con ideology was defeated on the battlegrounds of Iraq. It is sad that it had to happen that way with all the innocent victims in the US and Iraq, but I

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: All measurable processes – including information processing -- happen over and require for their operations some physical substrate. My point, which I believe either you may have missed or you are dodging is

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:05 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened You sir are an ass. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread smitra
If I think that: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened, it ended up exposing the fascist Neo-Cons for what they were. The Neo-Con ideology was defeated on the battlegrounds of Iraq. It is sad that it had to happen that way with all the innocent victims in the US and Iraq, but I

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Fascism unlike Communism (at the level of lip service at least) never preached a Universal Fascist state – an 1000 year Reich of one tribe over other inferior races maybe, but that idea lacks universal appeal.

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:36 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened You sir are an ass. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread smitra
https://sites.google.com/site/faydowkerarchive2003/home/mariarosario The modern history of Guatemala was decisively shaped by the U.S.-organized invasion and overthrow of the democratically elected regime of Jacobo Arbenz in June 1954. Since that time, while Guatemala has remained securely

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread John Clark
A professional ass who goes by the pseudonym smi...@zonnet.nl because he's understandably too embarrassed to give his real name wrote: The modern history of Guatemala was decisively shaped by the U.S.-organized invasion and overthrow of [blah blah] Dear Mr. Ass Once somebody knows that you

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread smitra
Because I at least explain why that's the case. Agree or disagree with me, but it's something that can be debated. You, on the other hand, are an ideologue who is not capable of reading past the first sentence if that looks like contradicting whatever you believe in. Citeren John Clark

RE: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
The modern history of Guatemala was decisively shaped by the U.S.-organized invasion and overthrow of [blah blah] Obviously the genocide of the indigenous people in Guatemala in which something like two hundred thousand human beings (ethnic Maya mostly) were tortured, killed and disappeared by a

RE: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
And yes half a century ago the CIA over through some 2 bit leaders in Chile and Iran, big deal. John you are either grossly ignorant of history, or squeeze it like toothpaste through the aperture of your ideological point of view. The actual historical facts are that both Chilean president

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread spudboy100
Chris and Smitra are performing a collective filtering of history, in which barbarism is merely a feature of capitalism while jolly, socialists, are completely ignored because, if a socialist tortures, or slaugters the innocent, that's different. Because they are ultimately,, 'helping mankind.'

Re: Leibniz's two types of existence based on the two types of logic

2013-08-25 Thread spudboy100
Isn't this sort of a neo-Platonism,as expressed by Roger Penrose? -Original Message- From: Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net To: - Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:11 am Subject: Leibniz's two types of existence based on the two types of logic Leibniz's two

Re: Leibniz's two types of existence based on the two types of logic

2013-08-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
Since we are politically free lancing in the absence of the boss, I must say that sometimes I wish that Roger were no longer existent.` He is the bane of other lists as well- everyone that he is on TMK. He must think he is doing missionary work. Richard On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM,

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread smitra
No, I don't think anyone will deny that barbarism has been cmmitted by communist regimes. The point is more that barabarism tends to be the result from policies that are motivated by upholding some ideology at all costs. That can be communism, but also trying to prevent communism from

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: We are now approaching a point where we can have supercomputers with the same estimated computational power of a human brain, but we are very far from

RE: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
Hey spudboy maybe you may want to lay off the crack From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread meekerdb
On 8/25/2013 9:36 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: If I think that: With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened, it ended up exposing the fascist Neo-Cons for what they were. That's sort of like saying it's good that the Nazi's killed all those people in death camps because that exposed

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:18 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Chris de

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:01:48PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it... Hi Russell ~ In the sense,

RE: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-25 Thread chris peck
corruption in politics (US elections 2000) is good in hind sight because it led to democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq. or one more up Saibal's street: In hind sight the end of the Raj was a bad thing because it led to the partition of India and Pakistan, wars over Kashmir and nuclear friction.