Guess what!

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
It's MONDAY June 21st. And I can't find my laptop, ipads, or whever. HOW AM I GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS LATER? Better find sameway to make consistent., Superman! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Thank you...too bad I'll never be able to find you. Also, red/green color vision (Oops!) (FIND IT!) On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just glad that no one's called me a lame ass dilletante yet. Maybe I'm doing something right after all! Still while we're on

This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. Stream of consciousness? Yes, already, after the ghosts in the shells it's not that easy to be a turtle who's green? Red/green color vision. Cogito ergo sum.

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Can you stop ? or is it too much to ask from you ? What do you think you achieve by doing that ? 2013/10/25 Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. Stream of

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
How do I stop what I never started? On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Can you stop ? or is it too much to ask from you ? What do you think you achieve by doing that ? 2013/10/25 Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu Tomorrow this will be harder but

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Ok, then continue, I'll filter you. It's a shame that new participant on the list will have to read your nonsense. Say hello to the boitakon. Bye. 2013/10/25 Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu How do I stop what I never started? On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Just tell the children the story about Zanarkand. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, then continue, I'll filter you. It's a shame that new participant on the list will have to read your nonsense. Say hello to the boitakon. Bye. 2013/10/25

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/24/2013 12:08 PM, John Mikes wrote: Craig and Telmo: Is anticipation involved at all? Deep Blue anticipated hundreds of steps in advance (and evaluated a potential outcome before accepting, or rejecting). What else

My name is Tidus...what's your name :)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
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Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/24/2013 12:08 PM, John Mikes wrote: Craig and Telmo: Is anticipation involved at all? Deep Blue anticipated hundreds of steps in advance

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
So this remembering nowhow about science till win every battle, but religion wan the way before it even began. Wold you agree MATT DAMON? DONT BLOW THE MEET WITH MATSUI) :) On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Telmo

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:43:49

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Try changing directions now. Here's a hint: Your soul is oftentimes a battlefield earth, water, fire, and sky people from the planet with no green left without the singular solution. I can't help thinking is pinking the blank slate magazines of red books of communal baths with gladiators and

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:46:54 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 25 October 2013 14:31, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Looking at natural presences, like atoms or galaxies, the scope of their persistence is well beyond any human relation so they do deserve the

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
I'm saying that is it emergent from the inorganic perspective, but divergent from the post-organic perspective. (see my explanation w/ Liz) On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:59:45 PM UTC-4, chris peck wrote: yep. organity is emergent. -- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:11:47 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 25 October 2013 12:31, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: You could say that human chess players just take in visual data, process it in a series of biological relays, then send electrical signals

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:09:40 PM UTC-4, chris peck wrote: * The alien might be completely confident in his judgement, having a brain made of exotic matter. He would argue that however complex its behaviour, a being made of ordinary matter that evolved naturally could not possibly

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:02 PM,

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2013, at 12:58, Richard Ruquist wrote: How does one obtain an infinity of computations in a universe of limited bits of information. A computation is a concept in arithmetic. There exist infinitely many computations for reason similar as the fact that there exist infinitely

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno: So we explain the *appearance* of a physical reality without assuming more than numbers and the + and * laws. Richard : No logic necessary? But as you know, I think an actual machine is needed to do the computations. Here actual includes the physical space as well as the

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2013, at 21:46, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: That will not increase precision unless you give a name (and NOT a pronoun!) to the guy who wrote the diary, if its Mr. The Guy Who Is Experiencing Helsinki On October

Could the Higgs boson convert mind to matter ?

2013-10-25 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz gave some plausible arguments that space is not substantial, is just mathematical, but you have to be a platonist to accept that. Platonism suggests that there is a nonphysical realm outside of spacetime, which includes this geometry, life, intelligence. and mind as well. That being the

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is as boring as the original, the Ulysses of Joyce. But it has its merits for postmodern people. You can sell a lot of books if you manage to convince Ariana Huffington. 2013/10/25, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu: Just for you, here's a secret Oh my god, f5 and twitter became

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip My problem is that you need to do the math

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2013, at 14:33, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:09:40 PM UTC-4, chris peck wrote: The alien might be completely confident in his judgement, having a brain made of exotic matter. He would argue that however complex its behaviour, a being made of ordinary

RE: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
Is this Stephen Lin a bot? certainly sounds machine generated.. Could also be a methamphetamine soaked brain as well in which random neural mental zombies become convinced they can touch the voice of god. one of the two. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you think that [you] die in a self-duplication experience? ^^^ We've been through this, it depends on who the hell you is. Is you the guy who remembers being John Clark

Fwd: The neuroelectric st

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Wisdom is the art of coming up with believable excuses for one's ignorance. This is my excuse... -- Forwarded message -- From: Stephen Lin stephenw...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:58 AM Subject: The neuroelectric st To:: Evan, Nadav Hi guys, Sorry about what happened

Re: My name is Tidus...what's your name :)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephen Lin
Rikku, Yuna, Paine? Are you there/?? On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/25 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you think that [you] die in a self-duplication experience? ^^^ We've been through this, it depends on who the hell you is. Is you

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:51:12 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2013, at 14:33, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:09:40 PM UTC-4, chris peck wrote: * The alien might be completely confident in his judgement, having a brain made of exotic matter. He

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Be consistent, reject MWI, or ask *the same question* about the probability of *you* (who is you ? pinocchio maybe ?) In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who you is because however many copies of you

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: We have already agree that you concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki. Fine, then obviously You will survive and equally obvious you will see BOTH Moscow AND Washington. Fine, then

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/25 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: Be consistent, reject MWI, or ask *the same question* about the probability of *you* (who is you ? pinocchio maybe ?) In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/25 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: We have already agree that you concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki. Fine, then obviously You will survive and equally obvious you will see

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
Well, now that's funny, because the message below has been considered as a spam by my computer. This confirms Brent's theory: Knowledge is knowing the answer to a troll's question. Wisdom is not posting it. Answering to a spammer makes you a spammer. By this very comment, I am myself

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:11:04 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 3:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Now take the game of go: human beings can still easily beat machines, even the most powerful computer currently available. Go is much more combinatorially explosive than chess, so it breaks the search tree approach. This is strong empirical evidence

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 1:33:02 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/25/2013 3:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Now take the game of go: human beings can still easily beat machines, even the most powerful computer currently available. Go is much more combinatorially explosive than chess, so it

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 3:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My high-level objection is very simple: chess was an excuse to pursue AI. In an era of much lower computational power, people figured that for a computer to beat a GM at chess, some meaningful AI would have to be developed along the way. I don' thing

RE: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
Hehe... Spam, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder and I would say that, much like porn, it is impossible to define when or what it is exactly, but we do know it when we see it. One could say -- in communication theory -- that it is an emergent property perhaps :) -Chris -Original

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: Fine, if the MWI is true and if the same definition of you is used as Bruno's definition, namely that you concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki, then it is beyond dispute that you will see BOTH

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who you is because however many copies of you there may or may not be they will never meet What does it have to do with prediction and probability ? In the MWI if

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who you is because however many copies of you there may or may not be they will never meet

Re: Could the Higgs boson convert mind to matter ?

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
Massless particles are also physical. On 26 October 2013 03:13, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Leibniz gave some plausible arguments that space is not substantial, is just mathematical, but you have to be a platonist to accept that. Platonism suggests that there is a nonphysical

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 8:29 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Is this Stephen Lin a bot? certainly sounds machine generated Could also be a methamphetamine soaked brain as well in which random neural mental zombies become convinced they can touch the voice of god... one of the two. The best way to deal

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 9:08 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: Be consistent, reject MWI, or ask *the same question* about the probability of *you* (who is you ? pinocchio maybe ?) In the MWI John Clark

RE: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:46 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article On 10/25/2013 3:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 9:24 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: We have already agree that you concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki. Fine, then obviously

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
Oh good, our very own Turing Test! He has appeared on other forums, such as The Straight Dope - not that this says anything about his humanity (or botanity) - he was banned from TSD, incidentally. I found this out by googling for one of his posts - they have been made before, identically. Now

Re: Could the Higgs boson convert mind to matter ?

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
You don't have to be a Platonist to accept that space is not substantial. To me, space is attenuation of sensitivity. What looks like space to us is the result of our body's relation to other bodies of similar scale. Even if adding mass made something 'physical', there is nothing non-physical

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 4:30:34 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: -Original Message- From: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:46 AM To: everyth...@googlegroups.com

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 3:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Now take the game of go: human beings can still easily beat machines, even the most powerful computer currently available. Go is much more combinatorially explosive than chess, so

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 3:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My high-level objection is very simple: chess was an excuse to pursue AI. In an era of much lower computational power, people figured that for a computer to beat a GM at chess,

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-25 Thread smitra
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 10/25/2013 9:08 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: Be consistent, reject MWI, or ask *the same question* about the probability of *you* (who is you ?

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 2:09 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I'm not sure intelligence is a binary property. I would rather ask the question when computers win at GO, will AI have advanced? The answer is: it depends. I agree. Deep Blue didn't advance AI significantly - but the early research in chess playing

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:46 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 3:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My high-level objection is very simple: chess was an excuse to pursue AI. In an era of much lower computational power, people figured

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 3:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My high-level objection is very simple: chess was an excuse to

Re: This is not a trick! (I'm SERIOUS)

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
SPAM is the mirror version of MAPS! Just a coincidence??? :) On 26 October 2013 07:15, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Hehe... Spam, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder and I would say that, much like porn, it is impossible to define when or what it is exactly,

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that, but our experience does not support that it has ever happened. In the mean time, the view that I suggest

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 4:09 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that, but our experience does not

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
On 26 October 2013 12:39, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 4:09 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that,

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
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