Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information processed in the brain – but which information in the brain remains unconscious and

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:53, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You betray your feeling here. Some people, like you apparently, indeed find the FPI and the reversal as a work of genius. They think: if you were right you should have the Nobel Prize, but you don't, so

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2013 1:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2013, at 23:33, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: ... It is: 3) Bruno has yet to develop the mathematical tools to do practical computations. Not at all. That would be the case if the goal was doing

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this today, which you might find of interest: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf In particular section 3 goes to great pains to describe the importance of the first person / third person

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: So, you still find nothing to say about many-worlds interpretation of QM where you are duplicated billions of time a picosecond, but you are able to babble for years about a simple duplication experiment ? The

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
You're just lying... You are the one treating things inconsistently, it's a shame your pride so high you can't even recognize it. Believe what you want to believe. Quentin 2013/10/27 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: probability implies prediction and prediction has nothing to do with a sense of self, and that is what Bruno's proof is all about. Absolutely not. Absolutely not what? Absolutely not that probability implies

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: You're just lying... You are the one treating things inconsistently, it's a shame your pride so high you can't even recognize it. Believe what you want to believe. The following is a flow diagram of the conversation

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been having on this thread: 1) Point John Clarck mistakes. 2) John Clark ignores it. Repeat the same mistake ad nauseam. 3) goto 1 Quentin 2013/10/27 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/10/27 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this today, which you might find of interest: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf In particular section 3 goes to great pains to describe the

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:33:51 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 20:01, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:09:47 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: The argument

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 13:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:27:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2013, at 02:25, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:06:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Oct 2013, at 14:04, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:54, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this today, which you might find of interest: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf In particular section 3 goes to great pains to describe the

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 16:47, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: probability implies prediction and prediction has nothing to do with a sense of self, and that is what Bruno's proof is all about. Absolutely not. Absolutely not

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:27, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/10/27 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this today, which you might find of interest: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf In particular

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:47 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Unlike you, I fortunately do not have the time to dig up your ad hominems. Well, I sure didn't have to dig very far to find

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread John Mikes
Allegedly Stathis wrote: *If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that there is a change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a change in the brain not explained by the physics, would be

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Jason Resch
John, Do you have any comment on the article I posted? Jason On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: You're just lying... You are the one treating things inconsistently, it's a

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2013 1:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Here's a blog post that might suggest a point of contact: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2013/10/distributed-computing-with-alien.html Don't hesitate to elaborate, but this assumes QM, and does not bear on the mind-body or 1p/3p relation. No it

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-27 Thread Jason Resch
John, Sorry, I missed your reply. Some comment's in-line below: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:54 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this today, which you might find of interest:

RE: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article On Friday, October 25, 2013 4:30:34 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella

RE: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Chris de

Survey of Philosophers

2013-10-27 Thread Jason Resch
I came across this surveyhttp://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl?affil=Philosophy+faculty+or+PhDareas0=0areas_max=1grain=coarseof various professional philosophers. It is interesting that two mutually contradictory opinions are the leading positions among philosophers (according to Bruno's

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
Yes… I can see how one could assume that. But not exactly what I assume though. Who knows if there is a real world? All I know (and even that is open to question) is I experience my existence as occurring within this (shared) high fidelity environment that in my experience – for me as

RE: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
Very interesting – and illustrative of how our perception is an artifact of our mind/brain. It reminds me of an earlier study in which test subjects were told they were being scored on their ability to perform some complex two levels of order visual task – say pressing a button whenever a diagonal

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:12:01 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: Very interesting – and illustrative of how our perception is an artifact of our mind/brain. It reminds me of an earlier study in which test subjects were told they were being scored on their ability to perform some complex

Rate of Convergence for Born Probabilities

2013-10-27 Thread Jason Resch
Frank Tipler published a paper which aims to show he can predict the rate of convergence toward Born probabilities using the Bayesian probability density and the assumption of many worlds: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.4422.pdf He says: As one watches the distribution (1) build up, one is really

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2013 2:49 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: I have some hope that violence diminishes at higher levels of intellectual development. I share your hope, but my heart is saddened by how we do not seem to as a species be fulfilling this hope of yours, which I share in. Steven Pinker just

Re: Survey of Philosophers

2013-10-27 Thread spudboy100
For sure it is interesting. From a science fiction point of view, author Wil Macarthy dream of a future where teleportation was the main daily transportation, as well as space and interstellar travel. People generally avoided the implications of using teleportation, which was you were

Re: Rate of Convergence for Born Probabilities

2013-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2013 4:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Frank Tipler published a paper which aims to show he can predict the rate of convergence toward Born probabilities using the Bayesian probability density and the assumption of many worlds: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.4422.pdf He says: As one watches

A Post About # and *

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595 Part of my approach to making new sense of the universe involves indulging in meditations on unintentional symbolism. Any pattern that catches my attention

Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-27 Thread Samiya Illias
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595 Part of my approach to making new sense

Re: Rate of Convergence for Born Probabilities

2013-10-27 Thread LizR
This must be one of those preannouncements I've heard about. On 28 October 2013 14:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/27/2013 4:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Frank Tipler published a paper which aims to show he can predict the rate of convergence toward Born probabilities using the

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread LizR
I have been under the impression that violence has been decreasing, on average, over historical time, that is to say the proportion of people dying violently and being injured by violence has tended to decrease over time. I believe the number of wars has decreased over historical time, and

Re: Douglas Hofstadter Article

2013-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2013 8:45 PM, LizR wrote: I have been under the impression that violence has been decreasing, on average, over historical time, that is to say the proportion of people dying violently and being injured by violence has tended to decrease over time. I believe the number of wars has

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 October 2013 00:10, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/**2013-10-neural-brain-harder-**

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 October 2013 07:33, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Allegedly Stathis wrote: *If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that there is a change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a