Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 14 November 2013 16:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 14 November 2013 16:18, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: But as Telmo points out we can't just wait till fossil fuel runs out and then switch. It takes energy to build

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 14 November 2013 20:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:29 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Global

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 17:43, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 22:10, Alberto G. Corona wrote: As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:09, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:45, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:27, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 11:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The catholic and the chihite, This one: http://lordblumiere.deviantart.com/art/Chihite-Angelorum-61177983 Sorry, I was using the french terming. I was referring to those following Shi'a Islam, or

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:35:48PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: There is overwhelming evidence in favour of the theory of evolution because of the number of predictions it got right, not because of the amount of

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:43, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What is legal? Guns, oil, car, tobacco, alcohol, those things kill a lot, and none are/were really necessary. Killing people with guns (or otherwise) is generally illegal. I think it is a good idea,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Good one, Chris. But you can tell from the posts here that what drives the Deniers is fear of government. In the U.S. since the Viet Nam war there has developed a widespread distrust of government as incompetent, corrupt,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Nov 2013, at 04:47, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 14 November 2013 16:18, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: But as Telmo points out we can't just wait till fossil fuel runs out and then switch. It takes energy to build nuclear power plants and

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Yes. I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because that is a waste of time, but honoring those of you that are not seduced by the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it movement, I will say something: Climatic models are bullshit. if you look at how they adjust parameters

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Retrodiction, instead of prediction, in this case. 2013/11/14 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Yes. I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because that is a waste of time, but honoring those of you that are not seduced by the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it

We need to bring Leibniz out of the closet

2013-11-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi - Roger Clough All current theories of mind are objective (materialist) since they do not include the first person singular. Consciousness or Mind is nonobjective or subjective, since it is the perceptions by the first person singular. Only Leibniz has a philosophy of mind (subjectivity).

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Alberto, On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because that is a waste of time, Mentioning apocalyptic narratives is an important point. These are a fairly common social phenomena

Why we need to bring Leibniz out of the closet if progress is to be made

2013-11-14 Thread Roger Clough
Why we need to bring Leibniz out of the closet if progress is to be made Materialism, the philosophy that the universe is made only of matter, and nothing else, is the basic philosophy of science. So Idealism, the philosophy that only ideas, not matter, are real, seems to be a fantasy world.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 3:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Good one, Chris. But you can tell from the posts here that what drives the Deniers is fear of government. In the U.S. since the Viet Nam war there has developed a widespread

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The use of science by government of science is of the type of pseudo-religion abuse. ?? Does not parse. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread John Mikes
Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped only in (literalily) 'superficial' usage. The high pressure ultra-clean steam from a deepened modification of the exhausted oil wells may provide much much more energy than

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread chris peck
I'm not an expert on climate change. I know a couple of things though. I know that according to a fairly large scientific consensus the planet might be getting hotter. I know that these predictions are based on flawed models of the weather system and how it operates. I also know that whilst

Re: We need to bring Leibniz out of the closet

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
You should talk to Bruno. On 15 November 2013 02:54, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi - Roger Clough All current theories of mind are objective (materialist) since they do not include the first person singular. Consciousness or Mind is nonobjective or subjective, since it is

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped only in (literalily) 'superficial' usage. The high pressure ultra-clean steam from a deepened modification

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
I haven't been able to find a source for the idea that the earth's warming trend has stalled. This is a typical set of data. There seems to be a slight dip in the last couple of years, but that's all. [image: Inline images 1] On 15 November 2013 12:34, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:09:18PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: The good news is that the figures I've seen is that its not such a tremendous cost after all. I am very interested in this. Could you be more

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 4:20 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Yes. I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because that is a waste of time, but honoring those of you that are not seduced by the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it movement, I will say something: Alas, some people just

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped only in (literalily) 'superficial'

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 15 November 2013 13:29, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On 14 November 2013 20:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:29 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On 14 Nov 2013, at 04:47, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
Hi Chris I won't interleave my replies as I'm finding it quite confusing to follow who is saying what in reply to what, so apologies in advance if I miss anything. The suggestion about synthesising petrol from the atmosphere is of course very hypothetical at the moment. Supposing it could be

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:20 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness Hi Chris Hi Liz I won't interleave my replies as I'm finding

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
I would like to see us switch away from fossil fuels completely, of course, but the road may be long and hard. I guess if there is an alternative to the ICE it will come on line as people replace their vehicles, and of course as you say power plants are a major part of this - being localised they

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 6:28 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:29 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 7:19 PM, LizR wrote: Hi Chris I won't interleave my replies as I'm finding it quite confusing to follow who is saying what in reply to what, so apologies in advance if I miss anything. The suggestion about synthesising petrol from the atmosphere is of course very hypothetical

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness I would like to see us switch away from fossil fuels completely, of