Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:04, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only one city with probability one That depends, Is You the Helsinki Man or the Moscow Man or the

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Perhaps politician should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the population through some social services, or by

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Perhaps politician should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Dec 2013, at 09:59, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Perhaps politician should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: As I said you confuse indeterminacy (the general vague concept) with the many different sort of indeterminacy: 1) by ignorance on initial conditions (example: the coin), that is a 3p indeterminacy. 2) Turing form of

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: to judge the quality of the prediction about which cities the Helsinki Man will see, you've got to hear what the Washington Man has to say too if you want to know if the prediction was correct; Yes. And in the step 3

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 07:30, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What doesn't make sense about number 4 (the MWI explanation of indeterminacy) ? It adds nothing to number 3, It adds a better explanation to number 3, and

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:04, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only one city with

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: I haven't had a

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only considered one world and wrote about the relative state of the observer and the observed

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 09:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You always refer to central banks. But all banks always did this. The bank would take 1M$ in deposits and then make 10M$ in loans, depending on the fact that statistically only a few depositors would ask for their money at any

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only considered one world

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 10:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds.

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 1:30 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 10:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: JKC makes a big

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 10:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Is that another way of saying you don't think Arithmetical Realism is correct? (Which is fair enough, of course, it is a supposition.) Yes. I think it is a questionable hypothesis. Yes, I think so too on days with an 'R' in

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, although Everett didn't write about multiple

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 2:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 10:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Is that another way of saying you don't think Arithmetical Realism is correct? (Which is fair enough, of course, it is a supposition.) Yes. I think it is

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible for our belief in atoms, and stars, and photons, etc., but it is may be impossible for that same demon

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible for our belief in atoms, and

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the physical reality. An evil demon could be

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 5:23 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Amen to that, Brent! On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the physical reality. An

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 14:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You asked where does the unreasonable effectiveness come from. Maybe I should have asked what you thought Wigner was referring to. I don't think he was referring to 'all possible mathematics' like Tegmark was. Or even all

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Liz My $.0001. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. What about it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 15:33, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: My point, such as it is, is that we can use the same maths for both the Newtonian domain in which things behave roughly according to common sense

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi LizR, For example, the commutator that relates observables to each other is different. The statistical relations that can be used to accurately model experimental data is different. Most importantly, the ontologies are very different. Classical physics allows a Laplacean observer to exist,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. What about it? -- You

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 14:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You asked where does the unreasonable effectiveness come from. Maybe I should have asked what you thought Wigner was referring to. I don't think he was

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple. But if there was one, he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work out its properties. On 17 December 2013 15:48, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: An observer in such a univer could never

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't see that it follows. Just like Shannon's information and Boltzmann's entropy, the domains are very much related so it's no surprise that we can carry over some math developed for Newtonian physics and apply it to quantum

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple. There could not be one wherefore he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work out its properties is impossible: probability zero. We could never

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple. There could not be one wherefore he could deduce the existence of 17

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. Our observable universe has less than 10^100 things in it, yet the HTTPS connection to my mail server relied on prime numbers of many hundreds

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... Did you know you can count up to 1023 on your fingers? I'll leave it as an exercise to figure out how. ;-) Jason -- You received this message

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LirZ, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple.

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Could you elaborate on how ...there is no way to know when a simulation would have succeeded in creating them might be a sound claim? A simulation, like a recording, cannot do anything other than, perhaps, convincing some fool that it is something that it is not. On Tue, Dec 17,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) Actually it did. It became a real and infinitely divisible. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 6:54 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't see that it follows. Just like Shannon's information and Boltzmann's entropy, the domains are very much related so it's no surprise that we can

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
In finite time and with a finite minimal action? NO! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) Actually it did. It became a real and infinitely divisible. Brent

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear LirZ, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Observables, in general, have been shown to not commute, contra the Classical assumptions of observables. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:54 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't see

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act as it is does... On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Stephen Paul King

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act as it is does... Tell me this, is the following (270 digit)

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
I do not assume that computations can occur if there are no physical means to implement them. My imagination that s 270 digit string is prime is not equivalent to actually doing the computation that tests for primeness. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
So you are arguing that doing the computations is what makes a number prime or not? When does the number first become prime, is it when the first person anywhere in the universe checks it? What about people beyond the cosmological horizon that compute it, or what about people in hypothetical

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 9:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? If there can exist a physical process that is a bisimulation of the computation of the test for primeness, then the primeness is true. Otherwise, we are merely guessing, at best. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that numbers only have properties when observed/checked/computed by some entity somewhere.

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 9:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
I agree with Jason! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: I agree with Jason! Great :-) Now all I need to do is convince you that 17 is prime without anyone having to compute and confirm that fact, and then you will have an explanation for why you believe you are

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 10:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 17:58, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... Did you know you can count up to 1023 on your fingers? I'll leave it as an

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 18:06, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LirZ, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean a very big number which of course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering and so 10^80+1 = 10^80 for physical variables. That reminds me of a joke... ...but

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2013 11:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean a very big number which of course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering and so 10^80+1

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 19:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread LizR
On 17 December 2013 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 11:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean a very big number which of course depends on context. I generally do applied

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
Jason, String theory predicts that there may be as much as 10^90 Calabi-Yau compact manifold per cc. Richard On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi Liz, Yes!