On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Only fundamentalist aristotelians have a problem with Plato's notion
of God
And according to your Humpty-Dumpty dictionary a fundamentalist
aristotelian is somebody who thinks that Aristotle was by far the WORST
physicist who
On 22 Apr 2015, at 11:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now
standing in the
present anticipating the evolving future rather than in the past
anticipating an already set,
Hi Alberto,
On 22 Apr 2015, at 11:36, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
I´m convinced that you are a larouchist:
http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.PlatoAristotle
I agree in that there are two sides depending on if they value the
mind or the matter as the primary thing. I
On 22 Apr 2015, at 18:30, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Only fundamentalist aristotelians have a problem with Plato's
notion of God
And according to your Humpty-Dumpty dictionary a fundamentalist
aristotelian is somebody who thinks
Is mathematics neither invented nor discovered, but evoked?
https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/smolin-on-mathematics/
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On 4/22/2015 12:26 AM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
Certainly we could scan a nematode, don't you think? 302 neurons. Nematodes should say
yes doctor. If I had a brain tumor, rescinsion of which would involve damaging the 1000
neurons and there was a brain prothesis that would simulate a their function
Yes, I know it hasn't been done, but i think most people would agree that c
elegans could be scanned or that a small neuroprothesis is possible, which
is enough of a foothold to say uploading thought experiments are relevant
to human experience.
Of course none of this is deeply relevant to comp.
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now standing in
the
present anticipating the evolving
On 4/22/2015 3:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','meeke...@verizon.net'); wrote:
On 4/22/2015 12:26 AM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
Certainly we could scan a nematode, don't you think? 302 neurons.
I have noted this before regarding Lord Russell's Teapot orbiting Jupiter. For
the last 40 years or so we have had the science to orbit a teapot, as well as
two probes around Jupiter--this should tell us something! We could insert a
teapot in orbit nowadays, making word, flesh, and secondly, we
On 23 April 2015 at 12:54, spudboy100 via Everything List
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I have noted this before regarding Lord Russell's Teapot orbiting Jupiter.
For the last 40 years or so we have had the science to orbit a teapot, as
well as two probes around Jupiter--this should
On 4/22/2015 6:06 PM, LizR wrote:
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally considered to be a
property of kicking back - of something existing independently of us, and not
conforming to whatever we'd like it to be. For example. a planet is generally considered
to exist
On 4/22/2015 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 13:04, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I just want to know the meaning of a particular word in
On 23 April 2015 at 13:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 6:06 PM, LizR wrote:
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally
considered to be a property of kicking back - of something existing
independently of us, and not conforming to whatever we'd
On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 3:24:22 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2015 6:06 PM, LizR wrote:
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally
considered to be a property of kicking back - of something existing
independently of us, and not conforming to whatever
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in consciousness
(assuming you could produce a working replica). I don't see that a gap
On 23 April 2015 at 13:04, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I just want to know the meaning of a particular word in your strange
non-standard vocabulary. It would be silly of me to argue over definitions
so I'll accept any
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
I was booted off when Natasha did her purge and went to Kurzweilai.
I've been on the Extropian lost longer than you and I don't recall a purge
by Natasha or by anybody else. And I know who Ray Kurzweil
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you've mis-parsed what Bruno is saying. He isn't saying that God
is conscious, he's saying God is whatever explains why *we're* conscious.
Bruno also says that mathematics begat our physical world and he might or
might not be right
On 23 April 2015 at 13:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Well I have at least a partial chain of explanation which is not very
controversial:
conscious-language-social-evolution-biology-chemistry-physics
The last 6 items are fairly uncontroversial, although I'm not 100% sure
about
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 3:24:22 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2015 6:06 PM, LizR wrote:
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally considered
to be a
property of kicking back - of something existing independently of
On 23 April 2015 at 16:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
Both the records and the mathematical objects are human constructions
which are brought into existence by exercises of human will; neither has
any transcendental existence. Both are static, not
meekerdb wrote:
Is mathematics neither invented nor discovered, but evoked?
https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/smolin-on-mathematics/
The review by Pigliucci is fascinating. It almost makes me want to buy
Smolin's book -- he seems to be saying much of what I have always
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I just want to know the meaning of a particular word in your strange
non-standard vocabulary. It would be silly of me to argue over definitions
so I'll accept any meaning of the word God you give me as long as it's
clear and you
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in
consciousness (assuming you could produce a working replica). I don't see
that a gap is particularly significant; a concussion also causes a gap.
If comp is correct,
On 23 April 2015 at 14:04, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you've mis-parsed what Bruno is saying. He isn't saying that
God is conscious, he's saying God is whatever explains why *we're*
conscious.
Bruno also says that
On 4/22/2015 7:32 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 13:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
Well I have at least a partial chain of explanation which is not very
controversial:
conscious-language-social-evolution-biology-chemistry-physics
The last
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in consciousness
(assuming you could produce a working replica). I don't see that a gap is
particularly
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally
considered to be a property of kicking back - of something existing
independently of us, and not conforming to whatever we'd like it to be. For
example. a planet is generally considered to exist - we can observer it (or
land things
On 23 April 2015 at 10:58, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, in a block universe, but in an evolving block universe there is also a
special present.
I hope mine is a box of chocolates and a long-stemmed rose.
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LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 13:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
So is chess real?
No, chess is an agreed-upon set of conventions invented by the human
mind. It didn't exist before people, and it has rules which can be
changed without it kicking back (Castling, the pawn's two-square
On 4/22/2015 6:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 13:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 4/22/2015 6:06 PM, LizR wrote:
I can't see how his categorisation works. Existence is generally
considered to be
a property of kicking back - of
I've spent the last few days walking and contemplating this, in an attempt
to understand, how one could make use of the block universe. In essence I
would like to construct a simple experiment that would allow me to travel
if not physically then mentally in time. I have come to believe, that in
Poor nominalists...
Ever what you call science and reason has claimed prevalence over
religion has been to produce massacres, since 1789 and even before. the
religion of the ones that wave the flags of science and reason, that
is, thae ones that claim knowledge without conscience that what they
On 23 April 2015 at 08:06, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Dennis:
*God always means something just shy of disproven and always fills the
gaps of understanding ...*
I don't need to disprove something that has not been proven - or at
least described as possible. BTW: nothing can be
On 23 April 2015 at 08:08, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now standing in
the
present anticipating the evolving
On 4/22/2015 2:59 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 08:08, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 23 April 2015 at 08:23, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Capitalism is the ability to pass wealth on to one's descendants.
I'm sure there must be more to it than that.
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Yes, ignorance and fanaticism under any banner, including that of science
and reason, will leave a trail of bodies in their wake. But unless you have
an alternative to using reason and science to understand the world around
and within us (divine revelation?) i don't see your point.
Religion gives
I think you interpretted my words in a different way than I intended. My
point was merely that theists use motte and bailey tactics, modifying their
definition of God as soon as you start tightening the screws. If you cut
off one head the theist will confabulate a new one for their religious
On 23 April 2015 at 08:19, spudboy100 via Everything List
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I was booted off when Natasha did her purge and went to Kurzweilai. I was
almost booted from there for outing Nancy More as the list moderator who
did the booting back in the day. I usually was
Really interesting!
Good to find someone that concurs with a one-at-a-time universe. I think this
will emerge as being right, in the end.
Thanks.
Colin
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On 4/22/2015 3:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 4/22/2015 2:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','meeke...@verizon.net'); wrote:
On 4/22/2015 12:26 AM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
Certainly we could scan a nematode, don't you think? 302 neurons.
Nematodes should say yes doctor. If I had a brain tumor,
On 4/22/2015 9:25 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 16:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
Both the records and the mathematical objects are human constructions
which are
brought into existence by exercises of
On 23 April 2015 at 16:14, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in
consciousness
(assuming you could
LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 16:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
Both the records and the mathematical objects are human
constructions which are brought into existence by exercises of
human will; neither
meekerdb wrote:
On 4/22/2015 9:22 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in
consciousness
(assuming
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:16 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
Quote:
Both the records and the mathematical objects are human constructions
which are brought into existence by exercises of human will; neither has
any transcendental existence. Both
On 23 April 2015 at 14:30, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 16:14, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain
On 23 April 2015 at 16:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 9:25 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 16:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 7:38 PM, PGC wrote:
Both the records and the mathematical objects are human constructions
which are brought into
If you've spent the last few days walking and contemplating something that
was only posted 2 days ago on the list, you either have access to
precognition or time travel, either of which should tell you something
about the nature of space and time.
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On 4/22/2015 9:22 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But not without destroying the brain and producing a gap in consciousness
(assuming you could produce
On 4/22/2015 9:30 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 16:14, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
mailto:stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 11:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
Dennis:
*God always means something just shy of disproven and always fills the
gaps of understanding ...*
I don't need to disprove something that has not been proven - or at
least described as possible. BTW: nothing can be 'proven' except for
ignorance.
To keep pace with the unfathomable
On 4/22/2015 2:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now standing in the
present anticipating the evolving future rather than in the past
anticipating an already set, but later,
I was booted off when Natasha did her purge and went to Kurzweilai. I was
almost booted from there for outing Nancy More as the list moderator who did
the booting back in the day. I usually was not a troller and if people zinged
me, I ignored it because I was there for Tipler - affirmative,
Capitalism is the ability to pass wealth on to one's descendants. Yes, a
Darwinian-anthropological thing! One of the worst offenders was Ming China,
which froze everything, which ruined Chinese civilization, and made it
vulnerable to invasions by Mongols, Russians, and later the UK.
On 4/22/2015 2:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Apr 2015, at 19:39, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 08:50, Dennis Ochei do.infinit...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you interpretted my words in a different way than I intended. My
point was merely that theists use motte and bailey tactics, modifying their
definition of God as soon as you start tightening the screws. If you cut
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Apr 2015, at 00:43, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you are talking about has more to do with psychology and/or physics
than mathematics,
I call that theology, and this can be justified
I do not read this thread in detail but the people among you that do not
understand that the reduction of workforce in agriculture to marginal
levels while increasing many times the production has not been due to
mechanical and crop engineering... you people have a serious problem
understanding
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Apr 2015, at 00:43, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you are talking about has more to do with psychology and/or
physics than mathematics,
I call that theology, and this can be justified using Plato's notion of
theology, as the lexicon Plotinus/arithmetic illustrates.
Certainly we could scan a nematode, don't you think? 302 neurons. Nematodes
should say yes doctor. If I had a brain tumor, rescinsion of which would
involve damaging the 1000 neurons and there was a brain prothesis that
would simulate a their function I should say yes doctor. Since modelling
1000
On 22 Apr 2015, at 09:05, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Apr 2015, at 00:43, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you are talking about has more to do with psychology and/or
physics than mathematics,
I call that theology, and this can be justified using Plato's
notion of theology,
On 22 April 2015 at 21:21, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now standing in
the
present anticipating the evolving future rather than in the past
Bruno,
I´m convinced that you are a larouchist:
http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.PlatoAristotle
I agree in that there are two sides depending on if they value the mind or
the matter as the primary thing. I also line up with the mind side, but
Aristotle has little to do in this
On 22 Apr 2015, at 09:26, Dennis Ochei wrote:
Certainly we could scan a nematode, don't you think? 302 neurons.
Nematodes should say yes doctor. If I had a brain tumor, rescinsion
of which would involve damaging the 1000 neurons and there was a
brain prothesis that would simulate a their
On 21 Apr 2015, at 19:39, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
We are entering the realm of the Humpty-Dumpty dictionary --
words no longer have their ordinary, everyday
On 22 April 2015 at 10:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
In an evolving block universe how do we know that we are now standing in the
present anticipating the evolving future rather than in the past
anticipating an already set, but later, past?
On a mailing list that puts so much
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