Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:25 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> > >> To summarize the argument: >> >> 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic >> civilization; >> 2. We do

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > Hard emergence is either something really miraculous and thus not really in > the domain of physics, or it is something we might call a miracle because we > really do not understand it. For me, emergence

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 2:21:15 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:25 PM, John Clark > wrote: > > > > > > > Right, ET might prefer to become a > > navel gazer > > and spend eternity in the electronic equivalent of a crack house, but >

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 2:35:51 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Hard emergence is either something really miraculous and thus not really > in > > the domain of physics, or it is something we

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: ​>​ > Human expansion into virtual space is far greater than outer space. In > fact with the end of the shuttle program we may have passed what might be > called peak astronaut. The number of astronauts

Interpretive cards (MWI, Bohm, Copenhagen: collect ’em all)

2018-02-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
Scott Aaronson has an interesting blog entry on quantum interpretations: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3628 He seems somewhat conflicted over which interpretation to believe. "Anyway, as I said, MWI is the best interpretation if we leave ourselves out of the picture. what would

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:15:43 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > > ​>​ >> Human expansion into virtual space is far greater than outer space. In >> fact with the end of the shuttle program we may

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > ​> ​ > the argument ignores the possibility that civilizations > might be able to thrive for a very long time without ever expanding > much beyond their original planet. ​I'm sorry but that argument just makes no

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

2018-02-11 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > * Most likely they evolved like us with neuro-networks adapted from some > natural condition and eventually as they progress they find they can no > longer manage things.* > ​When things get

Re: Interpretive cards (MWI, Bohm, Copenhagen: collect ’em all)

2018-02-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 at 9:30 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Scott Aaronson has an interesting blog entry on quantum interpretations: > > https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3628 > > He seems somewhat conflicted over which interpretation to believe. > "Anyway, as I