Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote >> >> >> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php >> >> Theoretical physicists developed a theory called loop quantum

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:49 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php > > Theoretical physicists developed a theory called loop quantum gravity in > the 1990s that marries the laws of

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat,

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 11:49:59 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:49 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending > infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge > and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and rear > > clocks accelerate at the same rate. > > First, there are no rigid objects in relativity theory. Otherwise they >

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: >> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > >> > How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and rear >> > clocks accelerate at the same rate. >> >> First, there

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:49 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote >>> >>> >>> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php Theoretical physicists developed a

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:33 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> ... >> >> With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal >> machines,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> ... >> >> With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal >> machines, and indeed physics has to be independent of the initial theory >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 10:45:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 18:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Dec 2018, at 16:35, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain >> initial conditions. We have no independent knowledge of those initial >> conditions, * > > > From observations

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 10:38:00 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain >>> initial conditions. We have no

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz > transformations show up in the computations (of the Ud?)? > > > This is explained in Vic Stenger’s book, in a way which shows that physics > is already in a large part

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge and expanding sphere,  you have to reconcile an infinitesimally tiny universe at the time of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and rear clocks accelerate at the same rate. First, there are no rigid objects in relativity theory.  Otherwise they could be used for  FTL signaling.  Second, there is no simultaneity

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:18:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Dec 2018, at 14:49, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> The psychical (experiential) states of matter (brain) > > Why a brain? If matter can be conscious,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 18:59, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 16:35, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 12:46:06 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Dec 2018, at 19:05, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 01:07, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 3:40:53 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain > initial conditions. We have no independent knowledge of those initial > conditions, * >From observations I think we do have a little knowledge about what those initial

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:27:35 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM wrote: >>> >>> *> If the temperature was non uniform

Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grade amoeba?

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
Ucnucs (Unconventional computing / natural computing scientists) party. As detailed in a paper published this week in *Royal Society Open Science* , the amoeba used by the researchers is called *Physarum polycephalum*, which has been

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 8:33:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/lsu-be122018.php > > Theoretical physicists developed a theory called loop quantum gravity in > the 1990s that marries

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 5:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: New equations go beyond Einstein's theory of General Relativity

2018-12-23 Thread ronaldheld
Looks like another attempt at quantum gravity. Ronald On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 10:15:55 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > Anything new here? AG > > > https://scitechdaily.com/new-equations-go-beyond-einsteins-theory-of-general-relativity/ > -- You received this message

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:20:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:18:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Dec 2018, at 14:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> The psychical

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Dec 2018, at 15:55, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:35 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > We have no evidence nor reason to presume that we should be in a position to > see everything that exists. In fact, we already know that not to be

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Dec 2018, at 16:13, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:56 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:35 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > We have no evidence nor reason to presume that we should

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 03:29, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM > wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:42:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM John

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal machines, and indeed physics has to

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:04 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/21/2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz >> transformations show up in the computations (of the

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 22:36, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2018 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Dec 2018, at 03:22, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> ... >> >> With Mechanism, physics has to be the same for all “observers” aka universal >> machines,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:37:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 03:29, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:50 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 22,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 07:45:54PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > This is explained in Vic Stenger’s book, in a way which shows that physics > is already in a large part derivable from simple invariance principles. > > > > Hi Bruno, > > Do you recall which of his books this is? (

Re: New equations go beyond Einstein's theory of General Relativity

2018-12-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yes, and it looks fun. I am not sure if this axiomatically, predicts a big bounce or no, or if say 5000 massive, spinning, black holes each produce a new universe, or just ?  Most days it's hard to care because, unless the data yields delight, then I give it a meh!   -Original

Re: New equations go beyond Einstein's theory of General Relativity

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 9:15:55 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Anything new here? AG > > > https://scitechdaily.com/new-equations-go-beyond-einsteins-theory-of-general-relativity/ > It's a new kind of space tile! - pt -- You received this message because you are

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> That's what I thought you wanted to conclude. But it doesn't follow. >> The specious present is just a mathematical construct and has no physical >> significance. It says no more

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 2:18 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:20 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:06 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:51 PM Brent Meeker >>> wrote: >>> That's what I thought you wanted to conclude.

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 13:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 3:42:04 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 03:22, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> >> >> The universe we see is the only one for which we have any concrete evidence, >> and that

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Dec 2018, at 13:54, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 3:53:36 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 05:44, Jason Resch > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:07 PM

Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grade amoeba?

2018-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Cool. I do not think that I am smarter than a bacteria or an amoeba. The amoeba taught me everything including the questions(*). For the precise relations see my paper “amoeba, planaria and dreaming machines”. Bruno (*) https://www.amazon.com/Amoebas-Secret-Bruno-Marchal/dp/1495992799 > On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 11:18:53 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 19:05, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 01:07, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 4:45:35 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 18:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 16:35, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/23/2018 4:04 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/22/2018 4:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:01 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz transformations show up in the computations (of the Ud?)? This is explained in Vic

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely