Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:27:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> *So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC, >>> alpha.* >>> >> >> No, he knew very well

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 11:37:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 21:33, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 11:37:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54:09 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 15:13, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday,

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 21:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 9:44:40 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Jan

Gödel-Löb Modal Logic (for Agent Programming)

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
at MIRI Research http://intelligence.org/files/lob-notes-IAFF.pdf - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 15:13, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 4:06:08 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Jan

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 9:07:50 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday,

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:54, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 9:07:50 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9

Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread agrayson2000
If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have completely forgotten the answer. AG -- You received this message

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54:09 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:23, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > “This scheme, like all other schemes for quantum computation, relies on > speculative technology, does not in its current form take into account all > possible sources of noise, unreliability and manufacturing error, and > probably will

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:57:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Jan 2019, at 21:01, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
“This scheme, like all other schemes for quantum computation, relies on speculative technology, does not in its current form take into account all possible sources of noise, unreliability and manufacturing error, and probably will not work.” Maybe they are right - quantum chips will only

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:27:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: >> So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC,

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:16:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:03, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:27:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:18 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM,

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:24:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:18, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:16:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:03, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:27:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c. Those three values are > measured independent of any Feynman diagrams* > Absolutely correct. So if you use Feynman diagrams to predict what some physical system is going to do, such as a physical

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 10:11:10 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:54, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 9:07:50 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 11:08:42 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does > one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability > values

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54:09 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Jan

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one > get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values > within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54:09 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 10 Jan

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
New developments in *quantum materials science* may be needed. https://www.nextplatform.com/2019/01/09/intels-quantum-efforts-tied-to-next-gen-materials-applications/ - pt On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:15:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:23, Philip Thrift > >

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:24:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 Jan

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have completely

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Anyway, the question is if it is true or false. In mathematics, mechanism restricts realism only to finite mathematics, or arithmetic. This is basically the idea that 2+2=4, and that this is true independently of me. But "true"and "exist" are

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
It doesn't mention breakthroughs likely needed in quantum materials, as I mentioned. - pt On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:52:32 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > Didn't you read the rebuttal to Dyahonov? > > Brent > > On 1/11/2019 2:23 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > “This scheme, like all other

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 5:52:46 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Suppose the original wf is expressed in terms of p, and its superposition > expansion is also expressed in eigenfunctions with variable p. Does the > phase of the original wf carry over into the

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect Planck constant to be not computable, because if we extract QM from arithmetic, the Planck constant might very well related to the mechanist substitution level. Planck's constant is not dimensionless. So its value is 1...in proper units.

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 3:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The “whole problem of QM” is there. The coefficients of the terms in the superposition are the “amplitude of probability”, and they can be negative. The probability is given by the square of the amplitude of probability. As long as we don’t make

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: /> The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three values are measured independent of any Feynman diagrams/ Absolutely correct. So if you use Feynman

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 1:54 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *How can you prepare a system in any superposition state if you don't know the phase angles beforehand? You fail to distinguish measuring or assuming the phase angles from calculating them. One doesn't need Born's rule to calculate them.

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
Didn't you read the rebuttal to Dyahonov? Brent On 1/11/2019 2:23 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: “This scheme, like all other schemes for quantum computation, relies on speculative technology, does not in its current form take into account all possible sources of noise, unreliability and

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:46:19 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does > one get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability > values within the

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:01 AM wrote: > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:46:19 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/11/2019 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does >> one get destructive interference, or constructive

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: > > *So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC, >> alpha.* >> > > No, he knew very well there was a theory that could come up with a value > because his own

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:40, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:24:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > * > The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c. Those three values are >> measured independent of any Feynman diagrams* >>

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:29 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> *So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC, >>> alpha.* >>>

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:51:24 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:29 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> *So even Feynman knew that there was no

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: /> The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who teach on the evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as Rorty said. That is a good summary of Plato. Hirsschberger sum up Plato by saying that the God of Plato is Truth. Not the

Solomonoff induction and mechanism

2019-01-11 Thread Mason Green
Solomonoff’s method of induction seems like a good fit for a mechanist view of things. For instance, it could be used to assign a relative probability to the universe being generated by a universal dovetailer: 2^(-K) * m, where K is the Kolmogorov complexity of the universal dovetailer and m is