Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.09.2010 17:57 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... Science is only collection of theories, and statements derive in those theories, and intepretation rules, and confirmation modus operandi. Only layman and engineers have to hope that their theories fits enough a reality. The theories

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 03.09.2010 10:10 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 02 Sep 2010, at 19:23, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.09.2010 17:57 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... Science is only collection of theories, and statements derive in those theories, and intepretation rules, and confirmation modus

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 03.09.2010 06:46 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/2/2010 1:32 AM, Rex Allen wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Quentin Anciauxallco...@gmail.com wrote: ... Of course it is *logically* possible that any new data could be consistent with physicalism - but then logical

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 07.09.2010 05:11 Rex Allen said the following: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On 9/6/2010 6:45 PM, Rex Allen wrote: ... Put a different way: According to physicalism conscious experience supervenes on quarks and electrons. Quarks and

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nymandavid.ny...@gmail.com wrote: ... Whatever composite categories we might be tempted to have recourse to - you know: molecules, cells, bodies, planets, ideas, explanations, theories, the whole ball of wax - none of

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 01:38 1Z said the following: On 17 Sep, 18:52, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nymandavid.ny...@gmail.comwrote: ... The next citation by Robert B. Laughlin (Nobel laureate in physics) could be

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too I am not sure if I understand your answer. Say we have H2 and O2 at room

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 19:02 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Sep 2010, at 19:52, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... This is why attempts to describe free atoms in Newtonian terms always result in nonsense statements such as their being neither here nor there but simultaneously everywhere. IMO

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 19:40 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.09.2010 01:52 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 19:32, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: on 18.09.2010 19:40 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ruwrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water.

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 23:35 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
John, I am not sure if I have a particular position. I am a chemist by background, well I was doing all the life simulation only. Actually I am comfortable with reductionism ideas, as many scientist are. Yet, I do not understand something. Say chemistry starts that H2 has a single bond, 02

Re: Intelligence and Nomologicalism

2010-09-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
The text is well done. Thanks. A question. What would be the consequence of the nomologicalism for a person that would like to earn some more money? Well, let us not consider the case when one successfully sells the text about nomologicalism. Evgenii on 21.09.2010 19:10 Rex Allen said the

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.11.2010 04:11 Rex Allen said the following: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Rex, Your post reminded me of the quote (of which I cannot recall the source) where someone asked Who pushes who around inside the brain?, meaning is it the matter that

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
of Wolfram (I guess it is close to the statement that the Universe is some kind of a cellular automaton), it does not matter much if a node is fully deterministic or random. Evgenii on 20.11.2010 23:57 Brent Meeker said the following: On 11/20/2010 5:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 19.11.2010

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Dear Bruno, Could you please recommend some reading about the mechanist assumption? Especially that then the observable reality cannot be a machine Evgenii on 21.11.2010 15:58 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 21 Nov 2010, at 09:11, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems to me

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 27.11.2010 20:08 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allenrexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information could be represented, how likely is it that your experience really is caused by a biological brain? Or even by a

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 27.11.2010 22:19 Brent Meeker said the following: On 11/27/2010 11:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 27.11.2010 20:08 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allenrexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information could

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 28.11.2010 20:46 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 7:21 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: on 27.11.2010 20:08 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allenrexallen31...@gmail.comwrote: Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information could be

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does this comment have? I would say that a model and reality are different things. Do you mean that they

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
? Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2010/08/computable-universes.html on 02.01.2011 10:31 Brian Tenneson said the following: In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Some time ago, I have read David Chalmers, The Matrix as Metaphysics http://consc.net/papers/matrix.pdf Let me make one citation Importantly, nothing about this Metaphysical Hypothesis is skeptical

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:54 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Thank you for your answers. We could say that the Universe is made of superstrings or we could say that the Universe is made

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.09.2012 18:23 meekerdb said the following: On 9/24/2012 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.09.2012 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 Sep 2012, at 09:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.09.2012 22:49 meekerdb said

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.09.2012 21:28 meekerdb said the following: On 9/29/2012 5:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have understood Brent in such a way that when engineers develop a robot they must just care about functionality to achieve and they can ignore consciousness at all. Whether it appears in the robot

Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have read a nice paper Jordi Cat Into the ‘regions of physical and metaphysical chaos’: Maxwell’s scientific metaphysics and natural philosophy of action (agency, determinacy and necessity from theology, moral philosophy and history to mathematics, theory and experiment) Studies in History

Re: Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.10.2012 14:04 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi He's got it all mixed up. Physics deals with objects extended in space. Things. Metaphysics deals with inextended objects. Ideas. Yet, he was able to develop the theory of electromagnetism. Evgenii -- You received

Re: Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.10.2012 14:44 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi I know that, but his theory of electromagnetism is a physical theory, even if it's hard to pin down the extension property. Physical theories can tell us nothing about philosophy or mind or God, since they cannot deal

Re: The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet

2012-10-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.10.2012 20:45 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian epistemology, which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology. You may want to read Three Worlds by Karl Popper. Then you see where to Popperian epistemology can evolve. “To sum

Re: Survey of Consciousness Models

2012-10-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.10.2012 17:16 Craig Weinberg said the following: http://s33light.org/post/33296583824 Have a look. Objections? Suggestions? I am not sure if vitalism is a model of consciousness. Eliminativism is not Epiphenomenalism. The small difference is that epiphenomenalism assumes mental

Re: Survey of Consciousness Models

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.10.2012 21:45 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Then there is Reductive Physicalisms: Mental states are identical to physical states. It is not functionalism though, as everything goes through physical

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard. Consciousness in Cognitive Architectures A Principled

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard

Re: Survey of Consciousness Models

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.10.2012 17:20 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Oct 2012, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.10.2012 17:16 Craig Weinberg said the following: http://s33light.org/post/33296583824 Have a look. Objections? Suggestions? I am not sure if vitalism is a model of consciousness

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.10.2012 22:54 Russell Standish said the following: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food. This act of life obviously requires an autonomous

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine that we have implemented somehow a bacterium in Game of Life

Which of Our Basic Physical Assumptions Are Wrong?

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Contest by FQXi http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay Click Read the contest entries to find it out. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe

Representation Of, Representation As

2012-10-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have started reading Scientific Representation by Bas C Van Fraasen and I have just finished the first chapter, Representation Of, Representation As. Here there is a discussion what we mean by representation in a normal language. The author defends that a representation is p. 21 Z uses X

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.10.2012 10:05 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't think that is true. The other way around makes just as much sense of not more: Reading Chinese is a simple behavior which drives the behavior

Re: Predictive physiological anticipation preceding seemingly unpredictable stimuli: a meta-analysis

2012-10-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.10.2012 20:31 meekerdb said the following: On 10/24/2012 5:31 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: http://www.frontiersin.org/Perception_Science/10.3389/fpsyg.2012.00390/abstract Comments? Woo-woo. Small effect sizes which are *statistically* significant are indicative of bias errors. I'd

On mathematical modeling

2012-10-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 40 'Of course the story is apocryphal, that a professional gambler funded a mathematician to analyze horse-racing, and was thoroughly unhappy with the report that began Let each horse be a perfect sphere,

Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic, mathematical modeling must inevitably be a distortion of what is modeled, although models actually constructed

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic, mathematical

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.10.2012 20:44 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 11:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 11:26 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following: On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a typical model. A map is in the objective world, as well as a scientific model, but to use the map one has to find out where

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 16:25 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 30 Oct 2012, at 12:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... You talk for example about integers as a framework for everything. Fine. Yet, I would like to understand how mankind through it development has invented integers. How comp would help

What is reality

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A nice video http://www.newscientist.com/video/1872152752001-what-is-reality.html You have to ignore a short sponsor message at the beginning. Evgenii P.S. I have found it by http://magpie73.livejournal.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.11.2012 18:00 meekerdb said the following: On 11/1/2012 5:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following: On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a typical model. A map

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.11.2012 18:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 01 Nov 2012, at 11:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... “Absolute Spirit is the fundamental reality. But in order to create the world, the Absolute manifests itself, or goes out of itself in a sense, the Absolute forgets itself and empties

Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Some more quotes from Bas C Van Fraassen Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective. This time on what Weyl has said on isomorphism between mathematics and reality. p. 208 Herman Weyl expressed the fundamental insight as follows in 1934: 'A science can never determine its

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: o that either the point about isomorphism and mathematics is mistaken, or o that scientific representation

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 08:37 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Richard Ruquist Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers flew their airplane, people would have said, You're going to do WHAT ? I guess this is a very good example, as the Wright brothers have just done it. I am not

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 11/5/2012 1:32 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know

Re: It's an imperfect world

2012-11-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.11.2012 12:17 Roger Clough said the following: I spent a career at NIST studying the resulting effects on strength. Do you know John Hastie and David Bonnell? I have been once an year with them at NIST. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.11.2012 17:10 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Perhaps strings might better model materials and their behavior than current chemistry and materials science can. And suggest the possibioity of creating new materials (composistes) as well as explaining little understood

Interesting facts about Galileo

2012-12-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I listen to Galileo by John L. Heilbron. Below are two interesting facts from the book together with links that I have found in Internet. 1) Galileo about Inferno Galileo has started his scientific career with a speech about how Inferno looks like where he has applied his mathematical genius

Physarum machine

2012-12-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have recently seen a paper on a Physarum machine A Adamatzky Physarum machine: implementation of a Kolmogorov-Uspensky machine on a biological substrate http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0703128 The author also has a book on this theme: Physarum Machines: Computers from Slime Mould. Any comment?

Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318 ‘However, false is not useless. The motion supposed by Copernicus can be employed in calculations,

Re: Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 02.01.2013 21:01 meekerdb said the following: On 1/2/2013 10:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318

Re: Physarum machine

2013-01-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.12.2012 13:45 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 Dec 2012, at 12:45, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have recently seen a paper on a Physarum machine A Adamatzky Physarum machine: implementation of a Kolmogorov-Uspensky machine on a biological substrate http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0703128

Investigations into the Applicability of Geometry

2013-01-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have read a thesis Douglas Bertrand Marshall, Investigations into the Applicability of Geometry, Ph.D. Thesis, Harvard University (2011) http://www.tc.umn.edu/~dmarshal/ where the author considers views of Aristotle, Galileo and Leibniz on the relationship between Geometry and Nature. The

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. It seems to me that your writing implies that there is the intimate connections between mathematics and the Universe. Could

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 10:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: ... If mathematical objects are not within the category of Mental then that is news to philosophers... If mathematical objects are within the category of Mental then that is news to

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 19:43 Stephen P. King said the following: ... There seems to be a divergence of definitions occurring. It might be better for me to withdraw from philosophical discussions for a while and focus just on mathematical questions, like the dependence on order of a basis... I

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 20:01 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 19:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Let us take terms like information, computation, etc. Are they mental or mathematical? Information is vague, and can be both. Computation is mathematical, by using the Church

A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
http://uncomp.uwe.ac.uk/LCCOMP/en/Files/Entries/2012/5/23_A_Computable_Universe.html Overview This volume, with a foreword by Sir Roger Penrose, discusses the foundations of computation in relation to nature. It focuses on two main questions: What is computation? How does nature compute?

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.05.2012 09:52 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 20:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... nominalism that they are just notation and do not exist as such independently from the mind. But that distinction is usually made in the aristotelian context, where some concrete

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 11:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 08:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In my view, it would be nicer to treat such a question historically. Your position based on your theorem, after all, is one of possible positions. What do you mean by my position? I

Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have just finished reading Understanding Consciousness by Max Velmans and below there are a couple of comments to the book. The book is similar to Jeffrey Gray's Consciousness: Creeping up on the Hard Problem in a sense that it takes phenomenal consciousness seriously. Let me give an

Re: A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 07:57 Stephen P. King said the following: On 5/26/2012 1:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: http://uncomp.uwe.ac.uk/LCCOMP/en/Files/Entries/2012/5/23_A_Computable_Universe.html Overview This volume, with a foreword by Sir Roger Penrose, discusses the foundations of computation

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 21:06 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 16:48, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 26.05.2012 11:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 08:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In my view, it would be nicer to treat such a question historically. Your

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 27.05.2012 23:04 Stephen P. King said the following: On 5/27/2012 4:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... A good extension. Velmans does not consider such a case but he says that the perceptions are located exactly where one perceives them. In this case, it seems that it should not pose

Re: was Relativity of Existence

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.05.2012 18:02 meekerdb said the following: ... Our intuition is that space is euclidean, the earth is stationary and flat, and that there is only one world. It seems to me that the infinity of arithmetic is just the intuition we should always be able to add one more. But intuition fails

Re: A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.05.2012 17:48 John Mikes said the following: Evgenij: to your last par (small remark): (and I repeat the outburst of a religious scientist upon my post questioning his 'faith'): Who gave you the audacity to feel so superior to (some?) WORKING CLASS? (I apologize: you seem to be only the

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: ... Velmans introduces perceptual projection but this remains as the Hard Problem in his book, how exactly perceptual projection happens. It does not make sense. This is doing Aristotle mistake twice. Velmans contrast his model with reductionism

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.05.2012 22:42 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, I believe that this time I could say that you express your position. For example in your two answers below it does not look like I don't defend that position. I don't think so. I

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-06-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 19:19 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 May 2012, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote: ... Sam Harris just wrote a short book titled Free Will and from the comments it has elicited it's apparent that there is very little agreement as to what it

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 20:48 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 8:59 AM, John Clark wrote: Believers in 'contra causal free will' suppose that it did not, that my 'soul' or 'spirit' initiated the physical process without any determinative physical antecedent. A belief that was enormously

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 11:43 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string free will means and neither do you. John K Clark Of course there are various degrees to which it can be free but that doesn't mean free will is a

Re: Welcome to Life

2012-06-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.06.2012 06:50 meekerdb said the following: Here's your closest continuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0Efeature=relmfu Brent Excellent. Thanks for the link. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Popper's World 3 and Multiverse

2012-06-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch is full of Popper's methodology. Also one can find there a statement that the knowledge exists objectively. On the other hand, Maarten Hoenen in his lectures several times has mentioned Popper's World 3. Interestingly enough that though Deutsch

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have started reading Collingwood's An Essay on Metaphysics and I see one definition that seems to be pertinent to this discussion. p. 27 Def. 4. To assume it to suppose by an act of free choice. A person who 'makes an assumption' is making a supposition about which he is aware that he might

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of observations of the physical universe and its processes. This

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, emulations

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: ... Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer cluster at work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 20:39 David Nyman said the following: On 9 June 2012 19:22, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: No, I have meant a) simulated computer b) simulated myself (but not in a) Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions executed by some Turing machine. It seems

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.06.2012 18:24 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.06.2012 20:17 meekerdb said the following: Here's a thoughtful blog on the meaning of theology. Bruno may want to comment, since his conception of theology might answer the questions put forward

Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
In his book An Essay on Metaphysics in Part IIIc Causation, Collingwood has considered what could mean that every event must have a cause. This could be interesting for a discussion on free will, as Collingwood shows that causation presupposes free will. In other words, if free will is to be

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.06.2012 17:15 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: For me personally, it is a puzzle why modern physics still needs that every event has a cause. I don't know what you're talking about. Modern physics does not say every

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 16:39 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: But then why to talk that every event has a cause? I don't know what you're talking about. I never said everything had a cause, in fact I have a strong hunch that some things

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 19:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: And what is that meaning which they have expounded with unanimity and has anyone who is *not* a theologian ever believed it? I believe that educated people, for example scientists, have followed

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 21:56 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:12:35 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you have a good definition of 'cause'? Any change originating from beyond your own direct participation, ie, the consequence of any motive other than your own

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 23:53 meekerdb said the following: On 6/18/2012 12:37 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.06.2012 19:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: And what is that meaning which they have expounded with unanimity and has anyone who is *not* a theologian

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