Re: Zuse Symposium: Is the universe a computer? Berlin Nov 6-7

2006-11-06 Thread James N Rose
With apologies that I have not been following the discussion under this subject header, but a question occurred to me that goes beyond the conventional notion of computation as regards 'computer/computing' operations. Are any models of 'theoretical' computers (or more properly: 'computation

Re: computer pain

2006-12-12 Thread James N Rose
Stathis, The reason for lack of responses is that your idea goes directly to illuminating why AI systems - as promoulgated under current designs of software running in hardware matrices - CANNOT emulate living systems. It an issue that AI advocates intuitively and scrupulously AVOID. Pain in

Re: computer pain

2006-12-13 Thread James N Rose
Stathis, As I was reading your comments this morning, an example crossed my mind that might fit your description of in-place code lines that monitor 'disfunction' and exist in-situ as a 'pain' alert .. that would be error evaluating 'check-sum' computations. In a functional way, parallel

Re: computer pain

2006-12-14 Thread James N Rose
Yes Stathis, you are right, 'noxious stimulus' and 'experience' are indeed separable - but - if you want to do an analysis of comparing, its important to identify global parameters and potential analogs. My last post's example tried to address those components. I've seen stress diagrams of

Re: computer pain

2006-12-17 Thread James N Rose
Just to throw a point of perspective into this conversation about mimicking qualia. I posed a thematic question in my 1992 opus Understanding the Integral Universe. What of a single celled animus like an amoeba or paramecium? Does it 'feel' itself? Does it sense the subtle variations in its

Re: computer pain

2006-12-17 Thread James N Rose
Brent Meeker wrote: If consciousness is the creation of an inner narrative to be stored in long-term memory then there are levels of consciousness. The amoeba forms no memories and so is not conscious at all. A dog forms memories and even has some understanding of symbols (gestures,

Re: computer pain

2006-12-17 Thread James N Rose
Brent Meeker wrote: That notion may fit comfortably with your presumptive ideas about 'memory' -- computer stored, special-neuron stored, and similar. But the universe IS ITSELF 'memory storage' from the start. Operational rules of performance -- the laws of nature, so to speak --

Re: computer pain

2006-12-20 Thread James N Rose
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Perhaps none of the participants in this thread really disagree. Let me see if I can summarise: Individuals and societies have arrived at ethical beliefs for a reason, whether that be evolution, what their parents taught them, or what it says in a book believed to

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-04 Thread James N Rose
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 03-janv.-07, à 16:36, Stathis Papaioannou wrote (in more than one posts) : Maudlin starts off with the assumption that a recording being conscious is obviously absurd, hence the need for the conscious machine to handle counterfactuals. If it were not for this

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-05 Thread James N Rose
John, You made excellent points, which I'm happy to reply to .. John M wrote: --- James N Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR: ... Make it easier -- a coma patient, inert for decades, re-wakes alone in a room, registers its situation and in an instant - dies. Would that moment qualify

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, Please be patient for my reply to your question. I'll compose an answer soon on inertia and change of inertia and how I reached the notion of assigning that as the essential-primitive of Consciousness. James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-07 Thread James N Rose
John, My email pgm sometimes (as now) balks at quote/copying material from emails I'm replying to. So I'll do as best to reply without having your exact words to refer to. re Bruno's inquiring about how I link changes of inertia to Csness, I'll do that in a few days. re Gendankens - I

Blackholes imply 'C' is violated/invalidated.

2007-01-20 Thread James N Rose
Conjecture: Blackholes imply 'C' is violated/invalidated. Notion: If the Speed of Light is not just a fixed constant but a fixed maxima, then, if Newton's 3 Laws of Inertia are to be maintained, especially regarding 'equal opposite' ... the current depiction of blackholes being able to

Re: Blackholes imply 'C' is violated/invalidated.

2007-01-20 Thread James N Rose
photons (you believe in) INSIDE once they got in and this is the reason why the darn blob is black. Imagination should not be constrained to imagined reality. MAke it so that it fits. (Hungarian proverb: Once it's goose, it should be fat). John --- James N Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-04-02 Thread James N Rose
John M, et al, It is a fact of existential experiencing that minds are typically so innured to their millieu and environmental encounters that 'alternative interpretations' are overlooked and missed to appreciation and understanding. --- When it became apparent to me that QM -and-

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-04-03 Thread James N Rose
Well, my friend, I am no Georg Cantor, but I am of a like-mind to him. What I have discerned, is an important insight that indeed resolves the chasm, and does, as you point out, make things mightily more complicated. There is level of complication that has been with us all the time, but which

Re: Overcoming Incompleteness

2007-05-25 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, et al., There is a CRITICAL FUNDAMENTAL ERROR in Godel's papers and concept. If a simpler 'less complete' system - which -includes- its statements, attempts to make -presumptive statements- about a 'more complete' corresponding system ... and its relationship to the simpler 'base of

Re: Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-03-06 Thread James N Rose
Brian, Thank you for starting this thread on Logic and Contemporary science/math/physics. I am amazed that there isn't more written on it, since in my own approach - which comes at a TOE by General Systems Theory analysis - I saw early on that a profound relation exists from Platonic times

Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-03-23 Thread James N Rose
Brian, Your inquiries about FL is an uncharted but important one. I'd like to suggest though that your approach is too conventional and 'consistency' is not the ultimate criteria for evaulating it's connection with validity or more importantly - feasability - in context with 'logic' - and

Re: Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-03-23 Thread James N Rose
Brian Tenneson wrote: Thanks for your reply. I have a lot to say, so let me try to rate my breath, as it were. 1. It is nice to hear a human say this is uncharted territory. . . I think my main improvement, while not really coming close to really answering my question, was

Re: Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-04-08 Thread James N Rose
Brian, Your inquiries about FL is an uncharted but important one. I'd like to suggest though that your approach is too conventional and 'consistency' is not the ultimate criteria for evaulating it's connection with validity or more importantly - feasability - in context with 'logic' - and

The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a dimension

2005-07-11 Thread James N Rose
chris peck wrote: Hi Stephen; I suppose we can think of time as a dimension. However, there are provisos. Time is not like x, y, or z in so far as we have no ability to freely navigate the axis in any direction we choose. We are embedded in time and it moves onwards in a single direction

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a dimension

2005-07-13 Thread James N Rose
far as the idea that time is a dimension in the same sense that x,y,z leads to paradoxes if we attempt to move around it. Spatial movement does not involve paradoxes. I think this is enough to establish an asymetry in nature rather than just experience. Regards Chris. From: James N

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a dimension

2005-07-14 Thread James N Rose
one way or the other, or whether it can be flipped, or whether backwards in time need be or neednt be represented by positive integers. One way or the other, time moves on. And if it doesnt, everything stops. regards; Chris. From: James N Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list

Re: Just a question

2005-07-16 Thread James N Rose
I suggest you abandon the notion 'bigger'. essentially because it is incompatible with the relation called 'symmetry breaking' - which is a major qualia in modern physics-math. James Bruno Marchal wrote: Does everyone agree with the following proposition: For all number x,

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a dimension

2005-07-17 Thread James N Rose
Interleaving: chris peck wrote: Hi James; Yes, you are definitely a conventional thinker Chris. I’m not sure what this line of argument has to do with the price of peas, but as I have said, it wouldn’t be troubling to me to be considered conventional. However, I do think you are being

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a dimension

2005-07-18 Thread James N Rose
chris peck wrote: [c^2] is exactly an expression of the presence of 2 temporal dimensions orthogonally configured, computing against a sheet region not a linear one. [Rose(c)1995]. What then would it mean for two events to occur in temporally perpendicular directions? similar to what it

Re: Memory-prediction framework

2005-08-15 Thread James N Rose
Ben, You are on the right track, but you missed a fundamental principle and therefore are missing advantageous use of it in mapping the question. The issue comes out as an adjunct one: why is standard logic insufficient -and- incomplete, when applying it to observed

contention: theories are incompatible

2005-11-16 Thread James N Rose
An open hypothesis to list members: Conservation as a 'fundamental rule of condition' is incompatible and antithetical with any notions of many worlds. Either explicitly excludes and precludes the other; can't have both and retain a consistent existentialism. J Rose

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-05-10 Thread James N Rose
a simple question ... (which, if it cannot be satisfactorally answered/rationalized/justified, its unanswereability will indicate why any creationist models versus 'science' models of cosmology, are not reconcilable). Q: What conditions-of-state of the existing functioning universe act as the

Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-25 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, You struck a personal nerve in me with your following remarks: Bruno Marchal wrote: They are degrees. The worst unreasonableness of a (platonist or classical or even intuitionist) machine is when she believes some plain falsity (like p ~p, or 0 = 1). The false implies all

Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-30 Thread James N Rose
assure you it is 'of significance' however. Best Regards, Jamie Rose Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 26-mai-06, à 02:50, James N Rose a écrit : An example at the core of it is a most simplistic definition/equation. 1^1 = 1^0 [one to the exponent one equals one

Re: *THE* PUZZLE (was: ascension, Smullyan, ...)

2006-06-17 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, Sometimes gedankenexperiments - or even theoretical contemplations - include unvoiced/unconsidered presumptions and biases that a system may not be self-aware of. Benj Whorf brought this aspect of systemic nature into consideration, in the 1930's, when he applied Einstein/Reichenbach

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread James N Rose
The notions of observed/observing, of first vs third, and all such round robin banter .. all fall down as nonsense conversation because -no one- has in any real sense specified the new-functions required to make such concepts ... a calculus. There are conflated criteria involved - as well as a

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-01 Thread James N Rose
Addendum to my previous: TO make math sensitive to frame of reference distinctions and useful in an expanded way added parameter-dimensions might be useful. Color coding for example. With new translation operators. Equations written in red might indicate that attention be maintained that the

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread James N Rose
and spiritual advocates. He didn't do science or logic or math any favors. Or the future for that matter. James N Rose Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 01-juil.-06, à 19:59, James N Rose a écrit : Math and reductive science ignore and dis-consider collateral co-extancy. The comp assumption

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-08 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, My email has not gotten through accurately this week. Just wondering if you had replied to my post of July 2nd or just let it go? Jamie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-13 Thread James N Rose
also. You need to think of metaphors as a real-form of transduction, with all mapping validity retained. Best of luck Bruno ; someday 'the lightbulb'. :-) James Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 09-juil.-06, à 17:20, James N Rose a écrit : from July 2, 2006 (lightly amended and then addended

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread James N Rose
Stephen, Eric is taking the quest to its logical conclusion. Even Steve Wolfram hints that pure space is the source of all instantiation. So the only question that needs resolution is specifying the natural of the architecture of that space - and - identifying how it brings entities forces,

Re: Everything need a little more than 0 information

2002-11-29 Thread James N Rose
Gentlemen (and Ladies, if some be present here), I offer you a small bit of wisdom and irony, presented in a bit of humor. Statement of vernacular AND mathematical truth: The universe is an ODD PLACE. (!) [i.e., it is imbalanced and -not- fundamentally symmetric] PROOF: -infinity ---

Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

2002-12-23 Thread James N Rose
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Wei, Interleaving. [SPK] Yes. I strongly suspect that minds are quantum mechanical. My arguement is at this point very hand waving, but it seems to me that if minds are purely classical when it would not be difficult for us to imagine, i.e.

Is complexity theory anti-reductionist?

2002-12-29 Thread James N Rose
To the ISCE list; cc's to related topic listservs. == Dear At et al., Consideration is a dual-process, not 'either-or'. When mapped vis a vis holism that is requisitely true. The consideration of a 'particular' occurs because such 'particular' -is

Re: Is complexity theory anti-reductionist?

2002-12-29 Thread James N Rose
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Jamie, I really need to know where you acquired this idea about Goedel It is foreign to me! Please cite me a source! I do not understand how we can go from a proof that formal models that include arithmetic operations will contain statements that are

re WorldSciNet

2003-01-02 Thread James N Rose
Does anyone on-list subscribe to WorldSciNet? www.worldscinet.com I would like to retrieve one article without having to be a full subscriber. Assistance would be appreciated. Jamie Rose

a notation question

2003-01-06 Thread James N Rose
Using standard mathematical notation (not logic notation per se), is there a way to depict the negative or the absense of the calculus notion of a real epsilons for all possible deltas? That is: calculus presumes that any and all functions will identify and recognize all partition sizes (aka

Re: Constraints on everything existing

2003-01-20 Thread James N Rose
Jean-Michel Veuillen wrote: Then our universe did not exist before there were intelligent observers in it, which is not true. I think that is better to say that all self-consistent mathematical structures exist. To restrict existence to universes containing SASs (self-aware structures)

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread James N Rose
The ancient Egyptians were the first to identify 'mirror' with first-person experience, some 5000 years ago. The word ankh means both 'life' and 'mirror' since full living-reality was what visually appears represented on the surface of 'mirrors'. Whether there was 'self-experience' there or not

Infinite computing;self-organization

2003-02-11 Thread James N Rose
Here is a line of reasoning that is a frontal assault on extant (inadequate) AI paradigms conjoined with the question of 'self-organization' AND shining a light of awareness on -the important- Turing/computation question that .. comes AFTER .. the Halting Problem: Self-organization .. which

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao wrote: Speaking as a devout Platonist ... About 7 years ago I realized there was a severe contradiction resident in modern concepts of Being. Godel's Incompleteness Theorems have established a condition-of-knowledge which seem to challenge if not negate Platonic thought. I'd like to

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao Leao wrote: James N Rose wrote: Joao wrote: Speaking as a devout Platonist ... About 7 years ago I realized there was a severe contradiction resident in modern concepts of Being. Godel's Incompleteness Theorems have established a condition-of-knowledge which seem

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao, :-) of course Plato wasn't aware of QM, but, he was also unaware of the importance that -mechanism- -real communication involvements- are resident in any information relation situation, as would be that which connects the Ideal and Real and gives validation/meaning to any correspondences

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao Leao wrote: James N Rose wrote: Joao, :-) of course Plato wasn't aware of QM, but, he was also unaware of the importance that -mechanism- -real communication involvements- are resident in any information relation situation, as would be that which connects the Ideal

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao Leao wrote: James N Rose wrote: Joao Leao wrote: James N Rose wrote: Joao, :-) of course Plato wasn't aware of QM, but, he was also unaware of the importance that -mechanism- -real communication involvements- are resident in any information relation

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-16 Thread James N Rose
Joao Leao wrote: James N Rose wrote: If there are no qualia but there are universals -- which cannot be identified except via qualia -- something is awry. Why so? Why can universals only be identified via qualia if they are, by definition, what is not reducible to qualia

Re: Reality of i (was Something for Platonists)

2003-06-17 Thread James N Rose
Matt King wrote [everything-list] 6/16/03: Hi James, I don't want to get into the Platonism discussion as I'm not of a philosophical bent, but I would like to start discussion based on something you wrote in one of your posts on the subject: James N Rose wrote: The square

Re: HARDY and Mathematical versus Physical Reality

2003-10-24 Thread James N Rose
[Bruno, please forward this to FoR as I am only on e-l at the moment] Dear Bruno, Thank you for citing Hardy, and your other remarks as well. The anchor which mathematics provides versus physics is 'consistency' of (to pirate a term from consciousness research) 'qualia'. Physics at the moment

Re: a possible paradox

2003-10-30 Thread James N Rose
Thanks, Matt, yes it helps. It helps me see that the math becomes problematic under the interpretations. Arbitrary constraints tint and skew what comes out. James Matt King wrote: Hello Stathis and James, In answer to the first question, does the multiverse inlude perfect

Re: a possible paradox

2003-10-30 Thread James N Rose
Dear Federico, In a mature and open 'exploring community', especially where people of different language backgrounds are concerned about coming together, the responsibility for extracting meaning and ideas falls as much on the readers as the writers. Syntax and grammer 'perfection' are secondary

Re: Dark Matter, dark eneggy, conservation

2003-11-06 Thread James N Rose
If we are now observing acceleration, that means there was Inflation (huge acceleration) and then a huge reduction in acceleration. So, what bled off the extra original acceleration momentum? Or countered it? Are we do believe that this 'dark matter' which is out there 'increasing

Re: [issues] Re: Is the universe computable

2004-01-20 Thread James N Rose
Calm, Steve, calm. :-) Remember my comment the other evening: It is the appropriate moment in human thought to change the definitions of 'objective' and 'subjective'. Implementation is the 'subjective'. Relationship need not be. In fact, relationship is necessarily -intangible-, but -is-

Re: ... cosmology? KNIGHT KNAVE

2004-07-22 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, Nice story and game depiction; it does help - somewhat - to explain a more expansive generalization of 'decidability' ..the bedrock on which 'logic' (at least for the traditional understanding of that term) relies. Global consistency 'permits' decidability 'which permits' logic. But

Re: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-19 Thread James N Rose
I would like to gather everyone's attention to point to an essential conceptual error that exists in the current debating points of this topic, which in fact has been an egregious error in logic for the past 2500 years, ever since Plato. Recent postings cite: Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-20 Thread James N Rose
Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 07:29:33AM -0700, James N Rose wrote: I would like to gather everyone's attention to point to an essential conceptual error that exists in the current debating points of this topic, which in fact has been an egregious error in logic