Re: The codical-material universe

2018-08-30 Thread Philip Thrift
What does "AR" stand for? - Philip Thrift On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-5, ronaldheld wrote: > > This is a hypothesis a non AR, Physicalist can accept? > Ronald > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 12:08:28 PM UTC-4, Philip Thrift wrote:

The Babel of Languages and the Substrate of Nature

2018-08-29 Thread Philip Thrift
dical nature).* Some of these Notes might be of interest here, and I might learn something here too. - Philip Thrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-01 Thread Philip Thrift
59:23 PM UTC-5, ronaldheld wrote: > > AR : Arithmatic Reality > Ronald > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 12:08:28 PM UTC-4, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> The codical-material universe: >> >> The Babel of Languages and the Substrate of Nature >> >>

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-05 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 9:12:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2018, at 11:54, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 2:28:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Sep 2018, at 21:32

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-07 Thread Philip Thrift
includes a galaxy and total the matter in that region, it's more than enough to have already stopped the expansion in that region.* http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/97-the-universe/galaxies/cosmology/538-as-the-universe-expands-why-don-t-galaxies-get-stretched-out-intermediate - Philip Thrift

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-07 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 3:59:08 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Sep 2018, at 21:48, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:47:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Sep 2018, at 17:04,

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 5:28:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 8 Sep 2018, at 23:53, John Clark > > wrote: > > > Bruno Marchal Wrote: > > *> I cannot see primary matter. In fact I am not sure what you mean by >> matter, or by “mathematical-material universe”. [...] I have

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:04:20 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 6:44 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>Nobody on this planet uses the term "Löbian machine" except you. >> >> > > >*It is just a more precise version of what popular books described by >>

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:23:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2018, at 18:58, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 9:12:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2018, at 11:54, P

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:47:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Sep 2018, at 17:04, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:23:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2018, at 18:58, P

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 2:48:53 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:47:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Sep 2018, at 17:04, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, Sept

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-10 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 3:25:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Sep 2018, at 13:06, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 5:28:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2018, at 23:53, Jo

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-10 Thread Philip Thrift
In particular, possibly the brain (neural material) is not a digital or an analog or a hyper computer, but a novel kind of computer (cf. references in [2]). [1] https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/04/07/synthetic-pancomputationalism/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gualtiero_Piccinini - Ph

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-08-29 Thread Philip Thrift
and Natural Computation : https://ucnc2018.lacl.fr/ ]. - Philip Thrift On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 11:08:28 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > The codical-material universe: > > The Babel of Languages and the Substrate of Nature > > https://codicalist.wordpress.com/c

The codical-material universe

2018-08-29 Thread Philip Thrift
odicality (a codical, programmatic nature). Some of these Notes might be of interest. - Philip Thrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-08-29 Thread Philip Thrift
gt; > On 8/29/2018 12:12 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > also thought by some in what I call the UCNC gang > > Also thought WHAT? > In terms of theory, Joel David Hamkins @*JDHamkins* <https://twitter.com/JDHamkins> (the set-theorist now at Oxford) considers i

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-08-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 6:15:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 8/29/2018 4:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 4:55:12 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> Do you have some evidence for doubting CT? It seems that it's &g

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-08-31 Thread Philip Thrift
It dawned on me: AR = anti-reductionist. The codicalist view allows for AR-physicalism, or AR-materialism. - pt On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:25:09 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > What does "AR" stand for? > > - Philip Thrift > > On Thursday, Augu

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 8:07:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/7/2018 5:35 PM, Martin Abramson wrote: > > Are you saying that galaxies etc. moving away ftl are not moving > relative to spacetime because spacetime is expanding at the same scale > factor? Is the universe, as it

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 4:00:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Sep 2018, at 14:43, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 3:59:08 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Sep 2018, at 21:48,

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-05 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 2:28:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Sep 2018, at 21:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 8:15:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Aug 2018, at 01:04, P

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:18:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Sep 2018, at 18:34, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 3:25:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Sep 2018, at 13:06

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:06:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Sep 2018, at 03:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:11:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> I can argue that

Re: Busy Beaver

2018-09-11 Thread Philip Thrift
sed on the Busy Beaver Problem* https://newdualism.org/papers/S.Bringsjord/laihyper11.pdf - Philip Thrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email t

#darkmatter theory

2018-09-27 Thread Philip Thrift
Someone to perhaps follow, doing #darkmatter theory: Axel Maas @axelmaas Professor for Theoretical Particle Physics at the University of Graz (Austria). Doing everything from low-energy QCD to beyond-the-standard-model #np3

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-27 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:44:04 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Sep 2018, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > > I should add that in parallel to mathematical logic and computability > theory and even type theory there is th

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/7/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > >> > What isn't clear yet to me is how experience (that which one experiences > in a phenomenal sense) comes out of pure information. (They can be

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 8:05:01 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 9:55 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *>When we look at what physics tells us about the brain, we actually just >> find software—purely a set of relations—all the way down

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 6:19:04 AM UTC-5, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Consiousness and particular states of mind are not reducible to states of > brain, they are patterns of brain activity, something abstract, relational. > I guess same thing is with matter. I read that it is

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 12:17:04 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:57 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *What is a language for conscious agents (experiential modalities)?* >> > > Intelligent behavior. > > > *How do you

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 11:19:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Oct 2018, at 20:18, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 9:05:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2018, at 20:00, Philip Th

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:32 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > > >There is something to there being two fields with their own conferences: >> AI (Artificial *Intelligence

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-12 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:09:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/10/2018 4:12 PM, Pierz wrote: > > It's not intelligent behaviour. There are tons of things (human artifacts > that have been created to automate certain complex input-output systems) > that exhibit complex,

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>You can't do metaphysics with a scientific attitude, if you could it >>> wouldn't be metaphysics, it would just be physics. Metaphysics means >>>

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-13 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 4:24:36 AM UTC-5, Pierz wrote: > > > > So no, I am very confident in my employment status and will remain so > until the computers I work with start understanding the purpose of the > software I am writing on them. So far, that is still in the domain of >

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-13 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 12:37:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/12/2018 9:06 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:09:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/10/2018 4:12 PM, Pierz wrote: >

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-14 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/13/2018 3:05 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 12:37:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/12/2018 9:06 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: &g

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:21:28 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote: > > > It may look like one can re-interpret QM as being consistent with > Einstein realism, but Bell disproved this (if you assume locality). Note > also what Bruce said about "simultaneously". > > Not exactly.

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-14 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 4:30:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/14/2018 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > >> The particular molecular substrate matters for experience (vs. >> information) processing. >> >> >> But that's not evid

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-14 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 2:32:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/14/2018 12:20 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > What I've read about Damasio, e.g. >> >> "He also demonstrated that while the insular cortex plays a major role in >> feelings,

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-14 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 8:24:29 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > In a two state system, such as a qubit, what forces the interpretation > that the system is in both states simultaneously before measurement, versus > the interpretation that we just don't what state it's in before

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:53:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/14/2018 2:48 PM, John Clark wrote: > > >*And there are sound reasons for doubting the consciousness of computers >> -* >> > > Name one of them that could not also be used to doubt the consciousness of > your fellow

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/14/2018 11:13 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:53:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/14/2018 2:48 PM, John Clark wrote:

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 8:36:01 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *>As I have proposed, information processing alone will not lead to >> consciousness. Experience processing >> <https://co

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:49:44 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/15/2018 5:06 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/14/2018 11:13 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >&

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Oct 2018, at 00:38, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 11:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: &g

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some *being*, > as some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real) is &

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 9:40:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Oct 2018, at 20:01, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 8:24:29 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> In a two state system, such

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 1:14 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But here is the thesis I think of the experience-oriented (vs. > information-oriented) paradigm*: *Experience cannot be represented: It > does

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-17 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:19:35 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 9:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: &

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrif

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:16:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 03:50, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > The "separation" of science from religion was the invention of > science > > > Not at all. Science is born with Plato, who understood that for having

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:05:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Oct 2018, at 13:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > It is generally not considered applying Rorty and or Derrida to > mathematical language, but mathematics is a language* too, li

Re: Quantum outperforms classical

2018-10-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 5:50:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Oct 2018, at 15:44, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > Finally a proof that quantum computers outperform classical computers > for a certain class of problems? Thoughts? > > "Quantum computers are expected to be better at

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:54:47 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Oct 2018, at 14:38, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:05:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Oct 2018, at 13:55, Phil

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 12:08:10 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Oct 2018, at 17:26, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 17 Oct 2018, at 00:38, Brent M

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/20/2018 11:24 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:33:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/19/2018 11:32 PM, Bruno Marchal wrot

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/20/2018 3:29 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/20/2018 11:24 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: &g

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-21 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:28:21 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but >> I have two comments/criticisms

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-21 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but > I have two comments/criticisms to it: > > 1) I am not sure whether Tegmark is aware of the so-called "instantiation" > relation. In philosophy,

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-21 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:04:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Oct 2018, at 06:47, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/20/2018 3:29 PM, Phili

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-21 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they >> (or at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-21 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 4:28:21 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> >> "reality contains all mathematical objects" >> >> >> Ironically, Tegmark doesn't

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 6:40 AM > wrote: > > *> What puzzles me is this; why would the Founders assume that a system in >> a superposition is in all component states simultaneously -- contradicting >> the intuitive appeal

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:11:13 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 11:53 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >>I guess its *possible* the man applying for a Ph.D was a zombie, but >>> you know you are not a zombie so if he is one then C

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:13 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *>The thought crossed my mind yesterday: I was helping a young man >> applying for a Ph.D. program in chemical engineering with hi

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 8:50:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > The "separation" of science from religion was the invention of science as > a way of knowing what was fact and what was superstition. Science was > testing beliefs and holding them only provisionally. > > Brent > > > They

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 12:51 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *There is not one method of calculation.* > > > There is always more than one way to make a calculation in physics, but at > the end

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-17 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:56:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 1:00 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 8:50:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> The "separation" of science from rel

Re: Quantum outperforms classical

2018-10-23 Thread Philip Thrift
I posted/tweeted about that elsewhere a couple a weeks ago: *Quantum Computers Speed Up Classical with Probability Zero* Yuri Ozhigov https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9803064 also by Ozhigov: *Constructive physics* Yuri Ozhigov https://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2859 - pt On Monday, October 22, 2018

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 1:41:06 AM UTC-5, scerir wrote: > > > *The original 'cat' was, of course, Einstein's 'gunpowder' paradox.* > > *'The system is a substance in chemically unstable equilibrium, perhaps a > charge of gunpowder that, by means of intrinsic forces, can spontaneously >

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:33:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Oct 2018, at 11:20, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 1:41:06 AM UTC-5, scerir wrote: >> >> >> *The original 'cat' w

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:23:22 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 23 Oct 2018, at 04:30, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10/22/2018 6:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> The mathematical reality has noting to do with languages, except that > languages are needed if

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Oct 2018, at 19:33, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:54:47 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Oct 2018, at 14:38, Philip

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-25 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > Bruno, > > as I see it, my ontology, whose relational aspect is defined by the > relation of similarity (and its special kinds - instantiation and > composition), includes your ontology, because pure set theory includes

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-28 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:58:27 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> >> But if the running code of a robot (say installed in Sophia [ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-28 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-28 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 5:38:27 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:23:25 AM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 7:57:48 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> &g

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-28 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Oct 2018, at 18:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:36, Philip Th

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:36:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>&g

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:46:13 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/29/2018 1:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: &

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:15:28 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM > wrote: > > >*If you try to traverse a unit distance in infinite steps such as 1/2, >> 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so forth, the sum converges to 1, but you will never >> traverse the distance even

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 18:25, Philip Thr

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations, > especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a > testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:44:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Th

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. > > (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say, actually, > K

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:06:42 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Instead of relativism, philosop

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
All On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:27:49 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:48 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > To a mathematical ultrafinitist [ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrafinitism ], the standard calculus is >> wrong. > &g

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-10-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 13:21, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday,

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:30:00 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 3:44:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 29 Oct 2018, at 12:04, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, Oct

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:55:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Oct 2018, at 23:48, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:15:28 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-31 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:15:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Oct 2018, at 11:34, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:30:00 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, Octobe

Re: Combinator 6 (Turing Universality, the Mu operator)

2018-10-31 Thread Philip Thrift
Bruno, Have you looked at various SKI interpreters around that could be used? Several now (on GitHub) in JavaScript. Also in Haskell. And there's the Unlambda system by David Madore. - pt > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-31 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 11:13:17 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:30 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *More formally, a **Zeno machine is a Turing machine that* > > > The rules of Zeno's machine never change so if

Embedded Agents

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
A new series on embedded agents. In the second post, how *Löb's theorem *complicates agent programs. 1. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/p7x32SEt43ZMC9r7r/embedded-agents 2. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/zcPLNNw4wgBX5k8kQ/decision-theory (The third in the series to be posted Nov 2,

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-26 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:36, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> There was no phy

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 7:44:35 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:38:16 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 10:15:28 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM wrote:

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > "there CAN be a infinite number of variable pauses in which each pause is half the length of the previous pause" You realize that is what a Zeno machine is based on: More formally, a *Zeno machine* is a Turing machine

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:30:51 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:29 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *> By the word "approximation" above in reference to what is being >> approximating seems to assume that the na

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-10-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 10:44:00 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:22 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> Engineers today are ultrafintiitists in practice: They design airplanes >> and bridges with computer software that

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