Re: Subjectivity is no longer a dirty word! A nice video discussing the dual aspect theory

2012-10-05 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
already. Mark On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 10/5/2012 12:24 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Many thanks, Stephan ! I should have known

Re: A must read paper

2012-10-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Yes, but it is also in its infancy. With Aczel's work not 30 years old, and this admittedly weak analogy to consciousness only a few years old, which Aczel does not seem to be following up on himself: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~petera/papers.html My point is, this is very young, what's young is

Re: On Zuckerman's paper

2012-10-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Stephen, Bruno, and Jason, Do I understand correctly that comp requires a relative measure on the set of all partial computable functions and that for Steven Both abstractions, such as numbers and their truths, and physical worlds must emerge together from a primitive ground which is neutral

Re: On Beauty

2012-10-09 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy The definition of beauty that I like is that beauty is unity in diversity. Hi Roger, As I mentioned, I think its very hard/perhaps impossible to tie down like that, even though I think I can

Re: autopoesis

2012-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Autopoesis is a useful definition for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning self, and p???s?? (poiesis), meaning creation, production) literally

Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-10-31 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Dear Cowboy, One question. Was the general outline that I was trying to explain make any sense to you? Without being obvious about it, I am trying to finely parse the difference between the logic of temporal

Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-11-01 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 10/31/2012 6:14 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Dear Cowboy, One question. Was the general outline that I was trying

Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Nov 2012, at 13:43, Roger Clough wrote: Shades of Nietzsche ! Tell me it isn't so ! No, it is not so. No worry to have. I am glad we share some uneasiness with Nietzche. I take it for a great poet, but a bad

Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, So what? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy By poet, I suspect that Bruno was attesting to Nietzsche's ability to think in terms of metaphors (such as Apollo and Dionysius in his Genealogy of Morals. ) Roger

Re: Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
else build such fortresses? For these reason I'd suggest for you to not read him, especially not in German. Right on with garbage he taught, would be the first thing he'd admit and laugh. PGC On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy

Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
unease, as they appear framed to me here, are not warranted by anything I've read. Cowboy On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:45, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hi Roger, If you want to read him that trivially, go ahead. The constant

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
is ideological concerning Nietzsche, never having understood the kind of reasoning I am pointing towards. Cowboy, Jamaican Lion Style :) On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy You're welcome to endorse Nietszche's attack on reason

Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: As I read it, the ?ermensch is the being that is aware of the limits of Mensch ideology and values. Of course this can be hijacked to support discrimination against groups, but only if you want to be dishonest. But he emphasizes that abandoning the humanist

Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, Harmony is also, as part of several music theory traditions, the management of dissonance, without which you can't have harmony. Did Leibniz treat dissonance specifically or suggest say, that well placed dissonance leads to a more satisfying harmony of the piece as a whole? 12-Tone

Re: Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, The definition of harmony you cite above is entertainment biased, because: Virtually all music is dissonant as the vast majority of music includes more complex fundamental frequency ratios than unison and octave: anything more complex than 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 etc. is by strict definition

Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
. We've shown its possible in our domain for hundreds of years. Quantum Cowboy :) On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 12 tone music can be refreshing for a while but I soon get bored. On the other hand, Stravinksy and many others can

arithmetic truth

2012-11-24 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Everybody, At several points the discussions of the list led us to hypothesis of arithmetic truth. Bruno mentioned once that the basis for this hypothesis was quite strong, requiring studies in logic to grasp. But as a non-logician, I have some trouble wrapping my brain around Gödel and

Re: arithmetic truth

2012-11-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Cowboy, On 24 Nov 2012, at 19:52, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hi Everybody, At several points the discussions of the list led us to hypothesis of arithmetic truth. Bruno mentioned once that the basis

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Leibniz expressed what was logically necessary, not an opinion of God. And this itself was an opinion of god and produced a striking revelation in Leibniz: Contradiction. I have kicked my own monadology in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-11 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Every new generation attacks what the previous generation holds dear. Freud explained that in his theory of the Oedipal complex. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] rclo...@verizon.net] 12

Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

2012-12-17 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Dear Roger and Stephen, Cowboy epistemology on truth are underestimated. Much simpler than all this heavy stuff. From a fellow guitar cowboy that many will know: When the sun came up this morning I took the time to watch it rise. As its beauty struck the darkness from the skies. I thought how

Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:01, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:49, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King I define good

Re: Re: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Pragmatism is does not provide truth in, say a Platonic or Aristotelian sense. It only provides truth as pragmatists define truth: namely that if A causes B, B is the truth

Re: A few definitions of the categories and two examples of their use (in perception)

2012-12-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Bruno, On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 29 Dec 2012, at 16:07, Roger Clough wrote: The classic example 3p= thirdness= is when I react to the pain Hmm.. this is the idea, except that with comp, this will be only plural_1p. But no problem as,

Re: A few definitions of the categories and two examples of their use (in perception)

2012-12-30 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/29/2012 12:32 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: In french we say popularly that about taste and color we don't argue. (Des goûts et des couleurs on ne discute pas). That's because Francophones have no taste

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Everythingsters, When things get a little fringe, I want the best bang for my buck (time reading/listening in this case). Here Sheldrake only delivers when held in check by McKenna and Abraham, even if not stunning. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy You've obviously never watched one of Sheldrake's lectures. Watched, listened, and even read some things a few years back. I sincerely tried to open my mind, but when I realized I was forcing

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word must implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1

Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy You're allowed to have that opinion, or any opinion. We're different. I am a retired laboratory scientist and a pragmatist to boot. So to me, data trumnps everything. So I will believe

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Brent, On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:33 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/7/2013 5:09 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. How is opinion not connected to data? Have you found a way of neatly separating the information and data from opinion

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not organized religion, which

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that -

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I always let the market decide. Please. It's peoples' behavior that determines market. And it has decided: you can steal from the coming generations by allowing energy industry

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:38 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Lobbying should be forbidden. But it's just another name for petitioning your government. Lobbyists provide a lot research and expertise to the legislative process, so I

Re: truth

2012-07-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
, at 16:12, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hello Everythinglisters, First post here, and seems fun to get lost reading the discussions from time to time, so here somebody contributing with a more musical tendency. It's funny how this game keeps cropping up where people want to do stuff like: 1

Re: Free will: a definition

2012-08-02 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I do not want to suggest a definition, but have a question concerning comp frame. When I improvise, often in Jazz or Rock context the free will question becomes fuzzy in this way: Sometimes you hit a point where all the patterns/formulas you've learned; i.e. the kind of stuff you can play in your

Re: Free will: a definition

2012-08-03 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Aug 2012, at 21:34, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I do not want to suggest a definition, but have a question concerning comp frame. When I improvise, often in Jazz or Rock context the free will question becomes

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. In fact denying God is a way to impose some other God. I don't think we can live more than one second without some belief in some God. I disagree. We live very well just

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/8/2012 10:05 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. In fact denying God is a way to impose some

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-09 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/8/2012 2:31 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: So, according to you, we're always wrong to deny the existence of anything because to do so brings it into existence. We can't even have a clear conception

Re: pre-established harmony

2012-08-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
When this cowboy has to write a score, there are always the constraints of what client/audience expect; even if they expect breaking a set of conventions. But the actual writing, the 1p experience of it, is out of my control. If I am afforded conditions to be allowed to be open for surprise, this

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Roger rclo...@verizon.net wrote: And any creative act comes out of the blue if it is truly creative (new). Improved jazs would be a good example of that. I believe that John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world. Roger , rclo...@verizon.net Hi

Re: On puppet governors

2012-08-18 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Aug 2012, at 14:46, Roger wrote: But humans are not entirely governed from outside, they have their own agendas. We have a top level agenda: maximise self-satisfaction, and minimize self-dissatisfaction. This

Re: Money sex, and power: our agendas

2012-08-18 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Roger rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 1) I can accept your hedonism. I do not, even though as musician it influences consciously or not. Leads again to too many possible conceptions of selves to satisfy. The computation

Re: On puppet governors

2012-08-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Aug 2012, at 14:46, Roger wrote: But humans are not entirely governed from

Re: The logic of agendas

2012-08-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
for yours. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Roger rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy and all The logic of an Agenda is purposeful or goal-oriented, what Aristotle called final causation. where an object is PULLED forward by a goal. By what should be. This is the opposite

Re: On puppet governors

2012-08-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Bruno, On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Aug 2012, at 21:14, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug

Re: Scientific prose vs poetry

2012-08-23 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I beg to differ: Fiction and performance is where people lie to an audience/readership for money, sometimes stumbling on something true. Sometimes even funny, movingly, true. Science is where people do the true stuff. Sometimes bullshitting people for money. Expertise and its derived authority

Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Finally we have the whole story and truth: Direct link to PDF in question: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=4ved=0CDMQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2Fei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAgusg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA Link to abstract:

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Guitar Cowboy wrote: Finally we have the whole story and truth: Direct link to PDF in question: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=4ved=0CDMQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2Fei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAgusg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA Link

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Research on this is ambiguous and ideologically freighted, but you put your finger on the right spot with: though maybe not as much. Because given all the toxic compounds from burning carbon based plant matter, the question is why the smoking cannabis leads to lung cancer evidence is much more of

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Finally we have the whole story and truth: Direct link to PDF in question: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=4ved=0CDMQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2Fei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAgusg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
be controlled individually. I'm against prohibition, but I'm also against saying you can use it with no danger. Quentin 2012/8/29 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com People and science do not distinguish enough between smoking pure cannabis or hemp and smoking both cannabis and tobacco

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com Agreed. But abuse of anything... is simply abuse. Wel yes... but abuse is easy with cannabis, if you smoke *everyday* it is abuse. And when you smoke everyday, you often smoke more than one... and that condition *is not* rare among cannabis

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Yes, but bashing nicotine is also easy. Everybody that surfs internet, especially posting too much is nicotine freak ;) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=internet%20addiction%20chrna4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: The biological advantages of being awestruck

2012-09-01 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Thanks for sharing. What is left out sadly, is the technical aspect of how to open oneself to that state, when one does not climb mountains or can afford space shuttle flights (or even want a bit of variety?). A possible answer: techné of ecstasy or how to escape from oneself/appearance and

Re: Good is that which enhances life

2012-09-02 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
It depends what standards for and quality of information you have on something. People shouldn't judge what they do not understand. Bruno you understand what Krokodil entails, with solid information, so trying it is nonsense. But I don't think most understand what Cannabis entails because of

Re: Good is that which enhances life

2012-09-03 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
we all benefit from the creative attitudes of beatles, stones, hendrix, or pink floyd etc. once in awhile. On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Sep 2012, at 16:38, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: It depends what standards for and quality of information

Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

2012-09-09 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I don't see sins, I merely prefer wrongs as in: not appropriate to circumstance, on which there is never a final ruling. Stauffenberg tried to murder Hitler; had he succeeded, would that be an example of wrong or heroism or some mixed bag, yet again? As a cowboy, I meet both liberal and

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

2012-09-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.comwrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Sep 2012, at 12:39, benjayk wrote: Our discussion is going nowhere. You don't see my points and assume I want to attack you (and thus are defensive and not open to my

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: OK. The bad is in arithmetic. To believe we can eliminate it would be like believing we can eliminate the number 666 from N. We can suppress the room 13 and 17, even 666 in some hostels, but that is the best we can do.

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:36:03 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: There are two ways of looking at a music signal. I think it's a mistake to look at it that way. There is no such thing as a music signal. There is no

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:41:33 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I am not saying arithmetic = music; I have no idea about that, just that the two can't do without each other. I think

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
of music through the usual list of consciousness altering practices, substances, and plants. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:46:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I'm not so sure about there is nothing

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Reflected eternal song(s) dressed in the illusion of time. As far as I can see: proportions, relationships, ratios. That's what I

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:47:15 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4

Re: music on my mind

2012-09-23 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:01:14 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Nothing would work except the ontological primitive that I use (sense). Glad that works for you. Linguistically I am flexible

Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis

2014-02-02 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:36 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation

Re: Real science versus interpretations of science

2014-02-06 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Ghibbsa, Boy O boy. Reread my post to you. It was completely complementary, only to be met not with appreciation but with snide remarks and accusations. Anyway I officially withdraw it as it was obviously in error...

Re: Real science versus interpretations of science

2014-02-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:52 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:36:21 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 7, 2014 4:50:39 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:09:23 PM UTC, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Feb

Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis

2014-02-11 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:36:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation of consciousness is perfectly

Cool Cuttlefish footage

2014-02-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Some members of the list have expressed fondness or interest for cuttlefish, which is why I post this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgdVVU8tBTQ The documentary is a bit sensational/over the top at times, but I'm not bothered as I just care about the footage. They used to be prominent at

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2014, at 20:56, meekerdb wrote: On 2/13/2014 3:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2014, at 12:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 11:52 GMT+01:00 Bruno

Re: Cool Cuttlefish footage

2014-02-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2014, at 23:17, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08:07AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Feb 2014, at 20:47, meekerdb wrote: On 2/14/2014 7:12 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I

Re: Cool Cuttlefish footage

2014-02-17 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 16 Feb 2014, at 17:41, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2014, at 23:17, Russell Standish wrote: snip but IMHO

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-18 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Feb 2014, at 19:49, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: what exactly is the question? Be specific and DON'T HIDE BEHIND PRONOUNS WITH NO CLEAR REFERENT.

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Did the Helsinki Man see Washington and Moscow? Yes. In the 3-1 view. Not in the 1-1 view. In who's 1-1 view? You'll probably say in The

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-02-27 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I came upon an interesting passage in Our Mathematical Universe, starting on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreciate: It gradually hit me that this illusion of randomness business really wasn't

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: If it's all math, then where does math come from? Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. These

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:48:48 PM UTC-5, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote

Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-02 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement comes to mind. It's seen as a silent, gradual but finalizing invasion of Europe/US sovereignty by large corporate interests, according to Le Monde as example. Harmonization of for example environmental and health standards entail the imposition of the lowest,

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-03 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 3 Mar 2014, at 8:53 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: What is it, Bruno, about 3 beats to the bar that precisely, irrefutably describes to my mind a circle? You tell me. Bruno Sure. I think it is

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-03 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression that Carmina Burana is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar, not 3? Maybe I missed the point. I am not musical (except that I like listening to

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-03 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression that Carmina Burana is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar, not 3? Maybe I

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: Hi everyone, Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno Marchal's The Amoeba's Secret is now available from Amazon's Kindle store. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRLEKPA The Amoeba's

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:53 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in arithmetic

Re: the real thing Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Nice to see you treat it this way. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Mar 2014, at 21:46, LizR wrote: On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Russell, Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Electric instruments just amplified what was already here. Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance, melancholy or magnificence. Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
, makeup... all still sported or on cheap shirts. Live fast, die young, it better be loud, huge, and powerful though. PGC On 11 March 2014 12:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.comwrote: Electric instruments just amplified what was already here. Beethoven istm was first in rock

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 AM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi PGC yep. All art, like language, has an etymology. The Pistols weren't special because they did anything 'new', but because they did something that challenged the status quo of the time. When it comes to

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:13 AM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote: * and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun)(OK, except for Poker face :-)* Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 15 Mar 2014, at 8:25 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: So one could play you some Ferneyhough, say Shadowtime, and you'd be able to score it on first listen? I know nobody that has

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Maybe one day you will have the class to acknowledge that Bruno and comp have helped you articulate or conceive of certain things

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: If there is nothing other than sensing, then why use all the pronouns and nouns you do? There are no objects... so why would we need nouns

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