Re: Boltzmann Brains, consciousness and the arrow of time

2009-01-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Günther, Nice post! Coments soon. Speaking of Svozil's work, please see: Cristian S. Calude, Peter H. Hertling and Karl Svozil, ``Embedding Quantum Universes in Classical Ones'', Foundations of Physics 29(3), 349-390 (1999) [abstract], [CrossRef DOI:10.1023/A:1018862730956],

Re: Newbie Questions

2009-01-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Ronald, Some people, myself included, would be a lot more comfortable with the whole inflation idea if a) there where some experimental evidence of the scalar fields that are required and b) some sound explanation where given as to how an in principle unknowable phenomenon - the BB

Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

2009-02-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Stathis, A question : Is is incorrect of me to infer that the psychological criterion of personal identity discussed in Shoemaker's book and, by your statement below, used by a predominance of members of this list is one that treats conscious self-awareness as an epiphenomena arrising

Re: Personal Identity and Memory [was Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
- Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction] Quentin Anciaux wrote: If the copy has no

Re: Copying?

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jonathan, Brent and Stathis, - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Copying? Stathis Papaioannou wrote: But the brain changes from moment to moment due to

Re: Personal Identity and Memory

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
] Stephen Paul King wrote: snip Hi Brent and Quentin, Could it be that it is the continuous possibility of recall from memory itself and not just the occasional recall acts that are important to continuity of P.I.? Stephen Sure. But what provides that possibility - the causal (physical

Re: Mikovi´c's Temporal Platonic Metaphysics

2009-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Ronald, Thank you for recommending this paper. While I recognize many of the ideas in it, it bothers me that there is no explicit attempt to explain the beliefs (other that vague references to other papers/books). As I understand the paper, Mikovi´c is propossing a type of

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, But does not MWI imply that if we could somehow erase all (retrivable!) records of a measurement, that we would - in effect - be culling that branch from the Tree? - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno and Members, The comment that is made below seems to only involve a single consciousness and an exterior reality. Could we not recover a very similar situation if we consider the 1-PoV and 3-PoV relation to hold to some degree over a multitude of consciouness (plurality). In the

Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV?

2009-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Consciousness is information? On 05 May 2009, at 20:13, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno and Members, The comment that is made below seems to only involve a single

Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV?

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Interleaving some comments. - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; Stephen Paul King Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV? On 08 May 2009, at 17:49, Stephen Paul King wrote: I

Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV?

2009-05-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
, Stephen - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV? Hi Stephen, On 12 May 2009, at 19:53, Stephen Paul King wrote: Falsifiable bets. ;) Not all. You bet the number

Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV?

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV? Hi Stephen, On 13 May 2009, at 22:20, Stephen Paul King wrote: snip By relagating

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Colin, It seems that to me that until one understands the nature of the extreme Idealism that COMP entails, no arguement based on the physical will do... I refute it thus! -Dr. Johnson http://www.samueljohnson.com/refutati.html Onward! Stephen - Original Message -

Re: Crystallizing block universe?

2009-12-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Ronald, Thank you for this reference and querry for comments. I recall that this idea, of a crystalizing space-time, appears in The Maker of Dune, a collection of letters, short stories and essays by Frank Herbert - the Science Fiction writer famous for his Dune series. The following

Re: paper on view of reality

2009-12-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Ronald, The theory is pure unadulterated Idealism. Matter/energy are, at best, considered as epiphenomena. My efferts to discuss alternatives have lead nowhere... Onward! Stephen - Original Message - From: ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com To: Everything List

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Folks, I would like to append a question that we all seem to circle around: Why do we even need to have a physical existance at all? Why isn't Platonic existence sufficient? Onward! Stephen - Original Message - From: Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk To: Everything List

Re: the theory of everything?

2010-01-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Mark, I have questions to pose to you. 1) What is the cardinality of this infinite collection/set/class/whatever of machines? 2) What measure is it that might be used to partition the set or class of machines such that at least one subset of them can be identified as corresponding

Re: Jack Mallah's paper on QS.

2010-01-25 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jacques, AS I re-read your paper, I had a thought: Does not the mutual interfearence between the copies hace something to do with a QM systems ability to compute exponensially more than a classical system? If so, then reducing the number or density of copies would lead to an attenuation

Re: Jack Mallah's paper on QS.

2010-01-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jack, - Original Message - From: Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Jack Mallah's paper on QS. -- On Mon, 1/25/10, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Does not the mutual

Re: A paper for your Comments

2010-10-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, The discussion has evolved enough now from my original topic as to require that I restate my thesis and add some new ideas in a new post with a new subject line, given some new understanding of your ideas. I greatly appreciate your patience and comments as I have learned a

Re: A paper for your Comments

2010-10-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Interleaving... From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A paper for your Comments Hi Stephen, The discussion has evolved enough now from my original topic as to require that I restate

Re: A paper for your Comments

2010-10-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Fixing a missing part of my post From: Stephen Paul King Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A paper for your Comments Hi Bruno, Interleaving... From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:16 AM

Re: A paper for your Comments

2010-10-17 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:27 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A paper for your Comments On 11 Oct 2010, at 00:54, Stephen Paul King wrote: Fixing a missing part of my post From: Stephen Paul King Sent

On the problem of communications between quantum systems

2010-10-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Folks, The following is from the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_pseudo-telepathy . In their 1999 paper,[1] Gilles Brassard, Richard Cleve and Alain Tapp demonstrated that winning quantum strategies can exist in simple games for which in the absence of quantum

A paper by Bas C. van Fraassen

2010-10-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Friends, Please check out the following paper by Bas C. van Fraassen for many ideas that have gone into my posts so far, in particular the argument against the idea of a “view from nowhere”. www.princeton.edu/~fraassen/abstract/Rovelli_sWorld-FIN.pdf Onward! Stephen -- You received

Re: A paper by Bas C. van Fraassen

2010-10-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
' is and the difference between it and 'BEING', 'MEASUREMENT and 'EVIDENCE' and _then_ what you can do with evidence. There. Vent is complete. That's better. Phew! :-) Colin Hales. Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Friends, Please check out the following paper by Bas C. van Fraassen for many ideas

The Xerographic Distribution: Scientific Reasoning in a Large Universe

2010-11-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno and Friends, It looks like Srednicki and Hartle have been thinking of issues similar to ours about the notion of a measure. Please see the following paper. http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.3816 The Xerographic Distribution: Scientific Reasoning in a Large Universe Authors: Mark Srednicki,

Re: Probability, Necessity, and Infinity

2010-11-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, Thank you for bringing this paper to our attention. I would like to point out two problems that I see in Meillassoux’ argument. So to minimize arguing against a straw man I will quote specific passages from the paper. “ if laws were contingent, they would change so frequently, so

Re: Probability, Necessity, and Infinity

2010-11-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Rex, -Original Message- From: Rex Allen Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:40 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Probability, Necessity, and Infinity On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Fw: An exchange that illustrates a key idea about Causation and Formal relations

2010-11-17 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Friends, Within the context of my membership of the Autopoiesis-Dialogue list I received the following posts. I would like to cross post it here in order that the discussion that Joel Issacson and Hugo Urrestazu are having can be considered by the Members as I believe that it is very

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, The word planned would seem to signify that there exists a mechanism (used the the most generic way) that selects that the object of the plan was chosen from a collection of possible alternatives with a bias that is not necessarily on that is natural and thus implies the existence of

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex and Bruno, I think that you are both missing an important point by taking an from infinity view. The fact that the world is not given to us in terms where these is one and only one option given some condition forces us to deal with alternatives. We can go on and on about causation

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi 1Z, -Original Message- From: 1Z Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Compatibilism On Nov 28, 11:36 pm, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Rex and Bruno, I think that you are both missing an important point by taking

A nice semi-formal discussion that includes an example of a computational space

2014-02-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
forms of reprogramming, or reconfiguring, the propagation of information for multipartite statistics and in quantum field theory. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Russel and Kim, I remember fondly when the translation of Bruno's thesis was being discussed. I am very happy to see the results of your hard work. Thank you for doing this! I will be buying a copy of it asap. :-) On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:43:05 AM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: Hi

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This article is packed full of falsehoods that a simple bit of research could correct. read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale As to its main point, all predictions are based on models. Models are never the real thing. Duh! So some expert has a wrong model. Big News! LOL. What is the point

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
All of those different versions of you have slightly different quantum states, or else they would be exactly this you and not a different version. There is no contradiction. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:55:47 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: According to MWI I am not unique for there are many versions

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
be recoverable What have you been reading? *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 3:33 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Climate models Hey Chris

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon enough we will be syphoning hydrogen off Jupiter. Why

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
at 9:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
maybe someday with some technology will it all may be recoverable What have you been reading? *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.comeverything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 3:33 PM

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Again. One does not harness such a beast. One learns to ride it. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Friday, April 04

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
ones that I built for myself. The data is hard to get... On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This data is interesting: http://www.indeed.com/salary/Green-Growth-Ventures-LLC.html On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny of planet earth that these hypothetical future technologies will become realized in time

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
- for example water quality, rates of mutation, sperm count, disease and parasite statistics and many other metrics I have missed. Chris *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:18 AM

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
and many other metrics I have missed. Chris *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:18 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Climate models Dear Friends

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2014 05:18, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Friends, Is there a single objective definition of damage to the environment? Given the complexity of the environment, I very much doubt it. There are some proxies for it, of course, e.g. rate

Re: Climate models

2014-04-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Liz, Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality? On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:03 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2014 12:45, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Chris, Given

Re: Climate models

2014-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Climate models

2014-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
cost the average person. My power and energy bills have become unbearable. Medical cost, prohibitive. Food e.g. bacon almost tripled in price since 2008. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 April 2014 14:02, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote

Re: Climate models

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Alberto, Hear Hear! On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Liz, Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the planet? Why is there a retreat

Re: Climate models

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Telmo, It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively defined. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Climate models

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Read Corona's post carefully. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Telmo, It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively defined. Hi

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
generation of idiots and their shepherds 2014-04-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
planified, we are gonna suffer another cycle of wrong ideas thanks to the new generation of idiots and their shepherds 2014-04-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
fight alone and will win inevitably against the ones that deny it. The problem is the price to pay in the process 2014-04-10 18:38 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com: Alberto, Don't feed the trolls... On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete with religion. When I was growing up, I

Re: The Yes-Doctor Experiment for real

2013-12-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Why does an entire universe need to be simulated? Could not just finite portions of some universe be simulated, that which is perceived by the observers (however such might be defined). Why does it seem that a god's eye view needs to be simulated? BTW, David Albert's argument

Re: The Yes-Doctor Experiment for real

2013-12-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Dec 2013, at 19:37, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, Why does an entire universe need to be simulated? ? If I (third person self-reference) is Turing emulable, then the entire universe is certainly

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
language. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
, QM does not. There is no such a thing as a view from nowhere nor a single narrative of all events in a QM consistent universe. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:33, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 16

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. What about it? -- You

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple. But if there was one, he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work out its properties. On 17 December 2013 15:48, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear LirZ, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act as it is does... On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Stephen Paul King

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act as it is does... Tell me this, is the following (270

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
other universes? Does the first person ever to check and verify that a number is prime, make it prime for all people, in all universes, forever? Jason On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: I do not assume that computations can occur

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
I agree with Jason! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-17 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
, we can only do so by abstracting our own sapience out of the universe: this is cheating don't you think? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 09:57, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi LizR, I would like to say

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi LizR, On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 10:11, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: No, LizR. I reject the Laplacean vision that is used to interpret the mathematical theories. SR, GR and QM, as mathematical models

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi LizR, On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 10:45, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi LizR, On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 10:11, Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Kevin Knuth's talk: http://pirsa.org/10050054/ On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi LizR, On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 10:45, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Hi

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
! On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 12:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2013 1:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 December 2013 09:57, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi LizR, I would like to say

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2013 3:16 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: My point is not about any kind of specialness, *the same condition follows for any frame that is consistent with the math*. There is no such thing, mathematically, as a view from nowhere

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 12:16, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: What else is a mathematical theory, such as SR, GR and QM, for but to ...perform a particular calculation? This is the problem, we figure out ways

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2013 4:27 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Ever attempt to do a particular calculation with an actual infinite dimensional Hilbert space? Sure. Why not? Sure, you can mod out (using symmetries

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
/opt_out. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Does there really need to be a single level of the UD? What is the UD is intersecting with itself an infinite number of times? Is there a relationship. maybe an isomorphism, between the UD and the set of Godel numbers of the UD? After all, there does not exist a unique universal

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, I know the difference. I am asking why? What if there is a UD related process underlying the symmetry? On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/20/2013 11:18 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM, meekerdb

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
/opt_out. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
, 2013 at 4:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:10 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi John, Questions On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The non

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Numbers are no less immaterial... On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:30 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: No no. If the mind is classical then Nature would not bother making many different version of the same software, no? I worry that we

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Its Immaterial! your question has a bad premise! On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Can you clone the number 2? Is it classical or quantum? Brent On 12/20/2013 2:38 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Numbers are no less immaterial... On Fri, Dec 20

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 December 2013 08:12, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote: Dear Jason, I think it was you that wrote (to me): I was not defending that view, but pointing out how ridiculous it would be to suppose mathematical truth does not exist before it is found

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
The inverse square law is true in Platonia. In the real world it's just a very good approximation. How do you know this is true? On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/20/2013 3:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 21 December 2013 08:12, Stephen Paul King stephe

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