A dialog on pragmatism-- in religion and in science

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
ROGER: According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and that trust does not come from you, it is a gift from God. We have nothing to do with it, at least that is what we Lutherans believe. BRUNO: If it is a gift by God, why a bible? ROGER: Faith helps us to believe.

Re: A dialog on pragmatism-- in religion and in science

2012-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2012, at 10:24, Roger Clough wrote: ROGER: According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and that trust does not come from you, it is a gift from God. We have nothing to do with it, at least that is what we Lutherans believe. BRUNO: If it is a gift by God, why

Re: Re: A dialog on pragmatism-- in religion and in science

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal You are healed by admitting you are lost, just as the Bible says. Submission (the fundamental religious/healing act) is required when you are sick or in too much trouble to save or help yourself, so you must turn to something or somebody else for help.

Re: A dialog on pragmatism-- in religion and in science

2012-08-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2012, at 14:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal You are healed by admitting you are lost, just as the Bible says. Submission (the fundamental religious/healing act) is required when you are sick or in too much trouble to save or help yourself, so you must turn