Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I would never claim there is no relationship between numbers and geometry, I claim that there is no function which geometry serves for

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I would never claim there is no relationship between numbers and geometry, I claim that there is no function which geometry serves for arithmetic. Pythagoras discovered and proved his famous theorem using geometry, only later

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:58:01 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mathematical justification for geometry though that I can think of. There are ways that numbers can describe geometry and ways that geometry can describe numbers.

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-18 Thread John Clark
Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mathematical justification for geometry though that I can think of. There are ways that numbers can describe geometry and ways that geometry can describe numbers. What more do you need? A reason that there could possibly be a

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-15 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: There is no mathematical justification for geometry though that I can think of. There are ways that numbers can describe geometry and ways that geometry can describe numbers. What more do you need? So the fact that

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:43:03 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: There is no mathematical justification for geometry though that I can think of. There are ways that numbers can describe geometry

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:15:48 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I do know that over the past year you have told this list that information does not exist, and neither do electrons or time or space or bits or even

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I do know that over the past year you have told this list that information does not exist, and neither do electrons or time or space or bits or even logic, so I don't see why the nonexistence of movement in a comp universe or any

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:15:59 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: If numbers exist then so does geometry, that is to say numbers can be made to change in ways that exactly corresponds with the way objects move

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-10 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If numbers exist then so does geometry, that is to say numbers can be made to change in ways that exactly corresponds with the way objects move and rotate in space. I'm saying that there would be no such thing as objects,

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Nov 2012, at 01:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:57:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:04, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:36:18 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? If numbers exist then so does geometry, that is to say

Re: Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
:20 Subject: Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness. On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:04 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I don't really know, but one starts with one point (a number ?) then two points to form a line, then rotation of that line

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Comp is not false, IMHO, it is just looked as through a very limited window. It's notion of truth is what occurs in the limit of an infinite number of mutually agreeing observers. 1+1=2 has no

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:57:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:04, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/8/2012 7:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Comp is not false, IMHO, it is just looked as through a very limited window. It's notion of truth is what occurs in the limit

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? If numbers exist then so does geometry, that is to say numbers can be made to change in ways that exactly corresponds with the way objects move

Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/GpiggMAKD74J. To post to this

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/7/2012 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? -- Hi Craig, So far it seems that there is only a singular set of countable recursive functions (or equivalent) and thus a single Boolean algebra for the Universal

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 07:42:18 Subject: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness. Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? The execution of the UD cab be shown to be emulated (in Turing sense) by the arithmetical relation (even by the degree four diophantine polynomial). This contains all

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 07:42:18 Subject: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness. Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? The execution of the UD cab be shown to be emulated (in Turing sense) by the

Re: Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:58:12 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg According to Kant, the fundamentals or primitives of spacetime objects are the two fundamental (inextended) intuitions: 1) a sliver of time alone (showing when something happens) and 2) a frame of

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/7/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 11/7/2012 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? -- Hi Craig, So far it

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:50:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 11/7/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 11/7/2012 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/7/2012 8:18 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:50:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 11/7/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 8:19:03 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 11/7/2012 7:42 AM, Craig

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:04, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:49:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can anyone explain why geometry/topology would exist in a comp universe? The execution of the UD cab be shown to be