Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-26 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
mega snip (a) Phenomenal awareness (experience inclusive of a self model) And (b) Psychological awareness (knowledge inclusive of a self model) more snip Brent Meeker wrote: Maybe...with some more explication. You're saying that phenomenal awareness (a) is perception that includes a model of

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 05:08, Colin Hales a écrit : a) Phenomenal awareness (experience inclusive of a self model) And b) Psychological awareness (knowledge inclusive of a self model) I think I see what you means, and it could corresponds to the 1-3 distinction as it reappear through the lobian

RE: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: Consciousnessisthestateof"beinglikesomething"touseNagel's term.Itisalsothecharacteristicofthe"referenceclass"in Anthropicreasoning. Self-awarenessisbeingawareofoneselfasadistinctthingdifferent fromtheenvironment.

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 24-juil.-06, à 13:56, Russell Standish a écrit : Consciousness is the state of being like something to use Nagel's term. It is also the characteristic of the reference class in Anthropic reasoning. Self-awareness is being aware of oneself as a distinct thing different from the

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-25 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:46:08AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 24-juil.-06, à 13:56, Russell Standish a écrit : Consciousness is the state of being like something to use Nagel's term. It is also the characteristic of the reference class in Anthropic reasoning. Self-awareness

RE: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-25 Thread Colin Hales
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP Self-awareness snip, sorry I'd say it's the other way

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-25 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP Self-awareness snip, sorry I'd say it's

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-juil.-06, à 08:05, Russell Standish a écrit : On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 04:38:01PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Functionalism is the same as comp, except that functionalist traditionally presuppose some knowable high level of substitution (and then like materialist presuppose a

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Colin, Either your intrinsic parallelism is turing emulable (by dovetailing to name the standard recipe for implementing form of digital parallelism), or it is not. In the first case, you are under the comp conditions and you have to accept its consequences. In the second case you are just

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 01:30:34PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am afraid your solon will just have this application: to give a non standard meaning to functionalism. Even a strict catholic can be a functionalist in that sense: just imagine that the solon, thanks to their

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 20-juil.-06, à 21:01, Russell Standish a écrit : On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 04:49:04PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-juil.-06, à 13:46, Russell Standish a écrit : Bruno, I know in your theory that introspection is a vital component (the Goedel-like constructions), but I didn't see

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 04:38:01PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Functionalism is the same as comp, except that functionalist traditionally presuppose some knowable high level of substitution (and then like materialist presuppose a physical stuffy level). So I would say comp is just the

COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 04:49:04PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-juil.-06, à 13:46, Russell Standish a écrit : Bruno, I know in your theory that introspection is a vital component (the Goedel-like constructions), but I didn't see how this turns back onto the self-awareness issue.