On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On May 31, 2:33 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On May 29, 1:45 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
So which
On 01 Jun 2012, at 20:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You might be disturbed by the fact that in experience 2, the
original remains the same person, so we don't count him as a
new person, each time he steps in the box. This, in my opinion,
illustrates again
On Jun 2, 2:39 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that Matter-Energy and Sense-Motive are dual aspects of the
same thing. If you are talking about the brain only, then you are
talking about matter
On 6/2/2012 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Jun 2012, at 20:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You might be disturbed by the fact that in experience 2, the original remains the
same person, so we don't count him as a new person, each time he steps in the box.
On 31 May 2012, at 21:38, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:26, Jason Resch wrote:
On 6/1/2012 7:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 21:38, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal
On 01 Jun 2012, at 19:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 7:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 21:38, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM,
On 6/1/2012 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You might be disturbed by the fact that in experience 2, the original remains the
same person, so we don't count him as a new person, each time he steps in the box.
This, in my opinion, illustrates again that we have to use RSSA instead of ASSA.
On 31 May 2012, at 08:02, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 16:32, Jason Resch wrote:
The question I have in mind is Does a brain produce consciousness,
or does the brain filter consciousness?
I had
On May 31, 1:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
smuggling in from our real world of physics. In
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 1:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:26, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy won a
price consisting in
On 5/31/2012 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think there are many tricks the brain employs against itself to aid the selfish
propagation of its genes. One example is the concept of the ego (having an identity).
Agreed. As I said just above.
So having an identity, a unity of thoughts,
On May 31, 2:33 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On May 29, 1:45 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
So which of the following four link(s) in the logical chain do you take
issue with?
A.
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 12:26 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 1:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 1:58 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 12:26 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 1:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 1:58 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 12:26 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On 5/31/2012 12:10 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On May 31, 1:45 am, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
You mentioned that you can open a remote desktop connection from a
virtualized computer to a real computer (or even the one running the
virtualization).
This, as Quentin mentioned,
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:26, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
To see this the following thought experience
On 31 May 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/31/2012 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think there are many tricks the brain employs against itself to
aid the selfish propagation of its genes. One example is the
concept of the ego (having an identity).
Agreed. As I said just above.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:26, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal
On 5/31/2012 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 18:29, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be
On May 31, 2:22 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
To know what an interface is... how 2 programs communicate. The way you
talk is like hey dude it's in the OS !... like the operating system was
not a software...
No, I'm saying it's all software, except for the hardware. That has
On May 31, 2:29 pm, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
It seems that we might be glossing over the difference between
hardware and software...
Hi Stephen,
Yes, that seems to be the case a lot. I guess it can be confusing, but
I'm not sure why. If a cat can pee on it, then
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 2:22 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
To know what an interface is... how 2 programs communicate. The way you
talk is like hey dude it's in the OS !... like the operating system was
not a software...
No, I'm saying
On May 31, 5:15 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 31, 2:22 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
To know what an interface is... how 2 programs communicate. The way you
talk is like hey dude it's in the OS
On 29 May 2012, at 22:26, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy won
a price consisting in visiting Mars by teleportation. But his state
law forbid annihilation of
On 29 May 2012, at 22:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2012 1:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy won
a price consisting in visiting Mars by teleportation. But
On 5/30/2012 1:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2012 1:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help.
On 30 May 2012, at 18:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/30/2012 1:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2012, at 22:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2012 1:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal
marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought
On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to have
dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you want an
computational AI to interact with you, it must be able to control real
world
On May 29, 1:45 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
So which of the following four link(s) in the logical chain do you take
issue with?
A. human brain (and body) comprises matter and energy
So does a cadaver's brain and body. The fact that a cadaver is not
intelligent should show us
2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to
have
dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you want an
computational AI to interact
On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to
have
dinner in a virtual paris if
2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You always put that level confusion on the table.
On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing
Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The
whole point is that there
Craig,
You mentioned that you can open a remote desktop connection from a
virtualized computer to a real computer (or even the one running the
virtualization).
This, as Quentin mentioned, requires an interface. In this case it is
provided by the virtual network card made available to the
2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing
Matrix, why would there be any kind of
On 5/28/2012 10:21 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
This belief system is truly bizarre. It is exactly like the cave person drawing
a picture of a flame on a rock and then expecting it to cook dinner. It is
exactly like getting into a flight simulator, flying it to Paris and then
expecting to
2012/5/29 Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au
Here's a story I just wrote. I'll get it published in due course.
Just posted it to the FoR list, thought you might appreciate the
sentiments
It's 100,000 BCE. You are a
On 29 May 2012, at 09:02, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
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] On Behalf Of Jason Resch
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Church Turing be dammed.
On Tue, May 29
2012/5/29 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
2012/5/29 Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au
Here's a story I just wrote. I'll get it published in due course.
Just posted it to the FoR list, thought you might appreciate the
sentiments
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Church Turing be dammed.
Natural physics is a computation. Fine.
But a computed natural physics model is NOT the natural
physicsit is the natural physics of a computer.
Colin,
I recently read the following excerpt from The Singularity is Near
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy won a
price consisting in visiting Mars by teleportation. But his state law
forbid annihilation of human. So he made a teleportation to Mars without
On 5/29/2012 1:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy won a price
consisting in visiting Mars by teleportation. But his state law
On 5/29/2012 4:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
To see this the following thought experience can help. Some guy
won a price consisting in visiting Mars by teleportation. But his
state law
Here's a story I just wrote. I'll get it published in due course.
Just posted it to the FoR list, thought you might appreciate the sentiments
It's 100,000 BCE. You are a politically correct caveperson. You want dinner.
The cooling body
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
Here's a story I just wrote. I'll get it published in due course.
Just posted it to the FoR list, thought you might appreciate the
sentiments
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