Hi Stathis Papaioannou

No.  Intelligence just is, it's nonphysical like information,
and precedes and is necessary for design to happen.
That sounds a bit like a Turing machine, not sure.

IMHO It's the "nothing" that the Big Bang out exploded out of.

I didn't say that the supreme intelligence was designed 


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/11/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-11, 09:29:46
Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function,
> so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed.
>
> But God does have to follow laws he already created.
> If you jump off of a building you will fall to your death.
>
> I'm missing a possible problem there.

You say that order in the universe is evidence of an intelligent
designer but you don't say that order in the intelligent designer is
evidence of a super-intelligent designer who designed him. If you say
the designer was not himself designed then why not also say the
universe was not itself designed?


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