Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
On 10 Nov 2012, at 11:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal OK, so it's not numbers alone (pure numbers), something else is required. Yes the laws of numbers. We believe in zero, and we believe that zero has a successor, and then the successor itself has a successor. Two common notation for the successor of x is s(x) and x + 1. We agree that two different numbers and two different successors, and we accept the laws of addition and multiplication: x + 0 = x x + (y + 1) = (x + y) + 1 x *0 = 0 x*(y + 1) = x*y + x The crazy thing, but which results from the work of Gödel Others, is that you can already define in that language, the very minimal believer in those laws. That one is already intelligent, in the sense that he can understand that he can crash. It is the price of creativity or universality. The machine is such that if she believes p and if she believes p - q, she will soon or later believe q. To be sure, to define a believer in the laws above, in the language using only the logical symbols, and the symbols: 0, s, (, ), +, *, is a very long ingenuous but also tedious work, like defining correctly a low level programming in itself. I will give some glimpse how to do that more quickly by using non trivial result. At the very minimum that something else must be intelligence, the ability to essentially freely make choices of one's own. You are right. Numbers, then, relatively to other numbers got it. Trivially, with comp, and arguably from computer science and the classical theory of knowledge. Nothing can be done without intelligence. But if you can do that, what's special about numbers ? Nothing. Numbers are just easier for most, when reasoning exactly. Programs, engrams, digital machines, two dimensional cellular automata, one dimensional cellular automata, hereditarily finite sets, hereditarily finite n-category, topological computer, modular functor, ... We can start from any of those, but we explain more by choosing the simplest. The universal beings are very multiple, and one you have one of them, you automatically inherit all of them. You get also, for the internal 1p, the result of a sort of competition of all of them below your substitution level (the global first person indeterminacy). I think the universal numbers (or the Löbian one) play the roles of the supreme monads. They are intermediates between earth and heaven. Geometry, such as created network, would make more sense. Or natural language. or arithmetic functions. Keep in mind that I assume comp, and *then* reason in computer science/ mathematics/arithmetic. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's
Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
On 10 Nov 2012, at 12:34, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The Devil is in the details, and why bother with numbers when you could use words ? No problem. People know better number operations, than words operation, but you can choose any universal system you want, for the starting ontology. Even if you use words, you will have to encode them in the Yin or Yand, or 0 and 1, with most existing Turing universal device, like the computer you are using just now. Your computer has still a level, of whatever you do, it is encoded in numbers, in the hexadecimal systems. Digital comes from digits, the number is what you can associate with your digits. If you insist I can use the combinators, or the Lisp expression. All I need is one Turing universal being. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought
Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, so it's not numbers alone (pure numbers), something else is required. At the very minimum that something else must be intelligence, the ability to essentially freely make choices of one's own. Nothing can be done without intelligence. But if you can do that, what's special about numbers ? Geometry, such as created network, would make more sense. Or natural language. or arithmetic functions. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being
Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Hi Bruno Marchal The Devil is in the details, and why bother with numbers when you could use words ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being any such universals, but I think by abduction strives to obtain completly new results (if actually new I can't say). I think that's why Peirce came up with the concept of abduction. The concept is very seductive to me for its possible power of discovery of something unknown or new. If comp could do
How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being any such universals, but I think by abduction strives to obtain completly new results (if actually new I can't say). I think that's why Peirce came up with the concept of abduction. The concept is very seductive to me for its possible power of discovery of something unknown or new. If comp could do this, I'd not spend a moment more on simulating the brain. Such a program might be worth a lot of money in venues such as AI, the defense industry, medicine and criminal investigation a la Sherlocki Holmes. Abduction is just one technic among many to do inductive inference (predicting theories from fact, synthesizing programs from input- output sequences, finding explanations from data, etc.). The mathematical theory of inductive inference is a very large subfield of theoretical computer science and theoretical artificial Intelligence, or Learning theory. AI is the practice and/or experimental part of it. Behavioral Comp is the idea that machines can emulate all 3p aspect of experience and consciousness. STRONG AI is the thesis that machine can have 1p experience. COMP is the thesis that *you* are emulable by a computer. Famous theorem in theoretical learning theory: Roughly speaking we measure the intelligence (really competence) by the largeness of the class of computable processes recognized (explained, inferred) by a machine, or by the number
Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being any such universals, but I think by abduction strives to obtain completly new results (if actually new I can't say). I think that's why Peirce came up with the concept of abduction. The concept is very seductive to me for its possible power of discovery of something unknown or new. If comp could do this, I'd not spend a moment more on simulating the brain. Such a program might be worth a lot of money in venues such as AI, the defense industry, medicine and criminal investigation a la Sherlocki Holmes. Abduction is just one technic among many to do inductive inference (predicting theories from fact, synthesizing programs from input- output sequences, finding explanations from data, etc.). The mathematical theory of inductive inference is a very large subfield of theoretical computer science and theoretical artificial Intelligence, or Learning theory. AI is the practice and/or experimental part of it.
Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Bruno, I was active onceuponatime in library work and had to apply the so called Librarian Decimal System to identify contents and connotations simply by numbers (and signs of course). That comes up in my mind whenever I raise questions (in my mind) vs. your numbers explain them all. Computer software understanding seems to me restricted to the content what that particular computer includes (Pardon me, Universal!). John M On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being any such universals, but I think by abduction strives to obtain completly new results (if actually new I can't say). I think that's why Peirce came up with the concept of abduction. The concept is very seductive to me for its possible power of discovery of something unknown or new. If comp could do this, I'd not spend a moment more on simulating the brain. Such a program might be worth a lot of money in venues such as AI, the defense industry, medicine and criminal investigation a la Sherlocki Holmes. Abduction is just one technic among many to do inductive inference (predicting theories from fact, synthesizing programs from input- output sequences, finding explanations from data, etc.). The mathematical theory of inductive inference is a very large subfield of theoretical computer science and theoretical artificial Intelligence, or Learning theory. AI is the practice and/or
