Re: Life requires autonomy

2012-09-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Sep 2012, at 21:46, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 7:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be

Re: Life requires autonomy

2012-09-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 21:46, Stephen P. King wrote: snip Dear Bruno, Did you mean both the 3p-self and the non-nameable 1p-self? How does the 1p-self name itself? It cannot. In logic name is for definite description. The 3-self can name itself

Life requires autonomy

2012-09-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous. Materialism provides no such focussing tool. I

Re: Life requires autonomy

2012-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous.

Re: Life requires autonomy

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/20/2012 7:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside

Re: Life requires autonomy

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/20/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous.