Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 22:46, meekerdb wrote: On 5/29/2013 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 18:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you want to communicate why should I need to search at all? And if even Google doesn't know what the hell Bpp is then it's ridiculous to expect your readers to know what you're talking about. Come on, John. Search

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you want to communicate why should I need to search at

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 18:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 27, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: John - you are being disingenuous here. Bruno has explained this [Bpp] at considerable length. If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not knowing either. John K Clark -- You received

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 27, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Have you heard about Gödel's theorem? Yes. The only difference between objective and subjective is that in one case information is universally available and in the other case the information only exists in 3 pounds of grey goo

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2013, at 17:52, John Clark wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: John - you are being disingenuous here. Bruno has explained this [Bpp] at considerable length. If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not knowing either. You might search on Theatetus instead, as Russell suggested. If you want to communicate why should I need to search at

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 May 2013, at 19:08, John Clark wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Materialism fails to account for the first person Can non-materialism do better and if so how? Yes, by using the mathematical theory of self-reference. The only problem

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-27 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 27, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Can non-materialism do better and if so how? Yes, by using the mathematical theory of self-reference. I've never heard of the mathematical theory of self-reference. And it's no great mystery, the only difference between you and

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 May 2013, at 19:28, John Clark wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Can non-materialism do better and if so how? Yes, by using the mathematical theory of self-reference. I've never heard of the mathematical theory of self-reference. Have you heard

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 01:28:42PM -0400, John Clark wrote: The details of this explains that the knower (Bp p) Yet another of your homemade anagrams, this time it sounds like a oil company not what a baby does to a diaper. I could probably figure out what you mean if I thought about it

Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-26 Thread Roger Clough
Materialism fails to account for the first person Sentience or sentient experience or experience or consciousness all require a subject who is conscious. The first person in grammatical language. I. This is missing in materialistic accounts of consciousness, but present in Leibniz's monads

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-26 Thread John Clark
On Sun, May 26, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Materialism fails to account for the first person Can non-materialism do better and if so how? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe