Re: I the mirror

2003-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Stephen, [SPK] So p is it is not provable that not p? This is a double negative implying that your logic follows the law of the excluded middle. That is ok, but I was hoping that you would see that as being a logicwise subset of Intuitionistic logic, ala Topos and Heyting

Re: I the mirror

2003-02-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Snipping a lot. - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:44 AM Subject: Re: I the mirror Hello Stephen, At 13:18 -0500 29/01/2003, Stephen Paul King

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hello Stephen, At 13:18 -0500 29/01/2003, Stephen Paul King wrote: Could you translate these symbols into words so that I could better wrap my mind around them and spin them around in my head? BM: Basically []p = provable p in such a precise way that 1) you can verify the proof in a finite

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Interleaving many comments. - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: I the mirror Hi Stephen, SPK: I have no difficulties

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-24 Thread Stephen Paul King
that I am working on. - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:18 AM Subject: Re: I the mirror Hi Stephen, At 10:52 -0500 22/01/2003, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
- Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Colin Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: Re: I the mirror At 11:59 +1100 21/01/2003, Colin Hales wrote: This is a query placed as a result of failing to succeed to find

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, At 10:52 -0500 22/01/2003, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, Thank you for the reference to the Case papers. It is ironic that his argument makes the case for the subtle issue that I am trying to point out to you, that there is a grave problem with your model. In

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 11:59 +1100 21/01/2003, Colin Hales wrote: This is a query placed as a result of failing to succeed to find answers when googling my way around the place for a very long time (2 years). I am about to conclude that a) no such discourse exists or b) that it is disguised in a form of

RE: I the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, Onar Aam wrote some nice essays on mirrors and awareness, a few years back. He had a quite elaborate theory. Unfortunately, his website seems not to be up anymore. However, if you e-mail him, he will probably send them to you. A year ago his e-mail was [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I'm not 100%

Re: I the mirror

2003-01-20 Thread James N Rose
The ancient Egyptians were the first to identify 'mirror' with first-person experience, some 5000 years ago. The word ankh means both 'life' and 'mirror' since full living-reality was what visually appears represented on the surface of 'mirrors'. Whether there was 'self-experience' there or not