Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
On Aug 9, 11:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc, I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some trouble obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/ Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and where the solution can come from (!) ). So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how is the real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take and send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but please dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my self ;) ) Raffaele.. Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces. This message comes with the game: Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as well as of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation of them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of copyright. To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual scrutiny following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed any details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium. But there seem to be many places where it's available. Hope you find a copy from somewhere. Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my own software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can understand, the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols (the number of different triangles used in the pieces and their combinations) chosen by the author of the real game. I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle. I have a class diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and am now implementing the design. There is a group on Yahoo you may be interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle. Link to the group below. Good luck: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/ I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth doing other things. Without even knowing much about the puzzle other than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained in the remaining history of mankind. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
On Aug 23, 8:41 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 9, 11:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc, I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some trouble obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/ Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and where the solution can come from (!) ). So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how is the real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take and send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but please dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my self ;) ) Raffaele.. Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces. This message comes with the game: Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as well as of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation of them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of copyright. To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual scrutiny following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed any details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium. But there seem to be many places where it's available. Hope you find a copy from somewhere. Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my own software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can understand, the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols (the number of different triangles used in the pieces and their combinations) chosen by the author of the real game. I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle. I have a class diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and am now implementing the design. There is a group on Yahoo you may be interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle. Link to the group below. Good luck: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/ I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth doing other things. Without even knowing much about the puzzle other than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained in the remaining history of mankind. Tom In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of quantum computation. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
On Aug 24, 3:46 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth doing other things. Without even knowing much about the puzzle other than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained in the remaining history of mankind. Tom In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of quantum computation.- Hide quoted text - According to what I read, a solution to the puzzle is likely to be equivalent to a solution to the P=NP problem. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 24, 3:46 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth doing other things. Without even knowing much about the puzzle other than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained in the remaining history of mankind. Tom In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of quantum computation.- Hide quoted text - According to what I read, a solution to the puzzle is likely to be equivalent to a solution to the P=NP problem. There you go. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc, I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some trouble obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/ Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and where the solution can come from (!) ). So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how is the real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take and send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but please dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my self ;) ) Raffaele.. Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces. This message comes with the game: Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as well as of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation of them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of copyright. To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual scrutiny following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed any details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium. But there seem to be many places where it's available. Hope you find a copy from somewhere. Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my own software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can understand, the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols (the number of different triangles used in the pieces and their combinations) chosen by the author of the real game. I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle. I have a class diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and am now implementing the design. There is a group on Yahoo you may be interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle. Link to the group below. Good luck: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge
Hi Marc, I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some trouble obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can read http://uk.eternityii.com/ Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and where the solution can come from (!) ). Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my own software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can understand, the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols (the number of different triangles used in the pieces and their combinations) chosen by the author of the real game. So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how is the real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take and send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but please dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my self ;) ) Of course if i can do/give u something in change (software, ebooks, donation..), i'll be really happy to do it. Thanks in advance, Raffaele.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---