Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-23 Thread Tom Caylor

On Aug 9, 11:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Hi Marc,

  I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some
  trouble
  obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/
  Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and
  where the
  solution can come from (!) ).

  So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how
  is the
  real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take
  and
  send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but
  please
  dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my
  self ;) )
  Raffaele..

 Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces.
 This message comes with the game:

 Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and
  ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as
 well as
  of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation
 of
  them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of
  copyright.

 To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose
  existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual
 scrutiny
  following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed
 any
  details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium.

 But there seem to be many places where it's available.  Hope you find
 a copy from somewhere.

  Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my
  own
  software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can
  understand,
  the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols
  (the
  number of different triangles used in the pieces and their
  combinations)
  chosen by the author of the real game.

 I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle.  I have a class
 diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and
 am now implementing the design.  There is a group on Yahoo you may be
 interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic
 Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle.  Link to the group below.
 Good luck:

 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/


I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth
doing other things.  Without even knowing much about the puzzle other
than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some
historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter
what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is
used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained
in the remaining history of mankind.

Tom


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Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-23 Thread Tom Caylor

On Aug 23, 8:41 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 9, 11:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hi Marc,

   I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some
   trouble
   obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/
   Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and
   where the
   solution can come from (!) ).

   So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how
   is the
   real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take
   and
   send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but
   please
   dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my
   self ;) )
   Raffaele..

  Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces.
  This message comes with the game:

  Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and
   ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as
  well as
   of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation
  of
   them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of
   copyright.

  To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose
   existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual
  scrutiny
   following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed
  any
   details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium.

  But there seem to be many places where it's available.  Hope you find
  a copy from somewhere.

   Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my
   own
   software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can
   understand,
   the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols
   (the
   number of different triangles used in the pieces and their
   combinations)
   chosen by the author of the real game.

  I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle.  I have a class
  diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and
  am now implementing the design.  There is a group on Yahoo you may be
  interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic
  Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle.  Link to the group below.
  Good luck:

 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/

 I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth
 doing other things.  Without even knowing much about the puzzle other
 than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some
 historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter
 what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is
 used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained
 in the remaining history of mankind.

 Tom


In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in
algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in
history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of
quantum computation.


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Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-23 Thread marc . geddes



On Aug 24, 3:46 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth
  doing other things.  Without even knowing much about the puzzle other
  than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some
  historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter
  what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is
  used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained
  in the remaining history of mankind.

  Tom

 In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in
 algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in
 history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of
 quantum computation.- Hide quoted text -



According to what I read, a solution to the puzzle is likely to be
equivalent to a solution to the P=NP problem.


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Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-23 Thread Tom Caylor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 24, 3:46 am, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   I think I will spend my limited time and energy on the decaying earth
   doing other things.  Without even knowing much about the puzzle other
   than reading the puzzle description, my guess is that without some
   historic breakthrough on some unsolved problem in algebra, no matter
   what algorithmic method (except for possibly quantum computation) is
   used, the complexity requires more time and interest than is contained
   in the remaining history of mankind.
 
   Tom
 
  In fact, it likely could be that the problem is already proved (in
  algebra) to be too complex for non-quantum algorithms to solve in
  history, and that the focus of the prize is then on the development of
  quantum computation.- Hide quoted text -
 


 According to what I read, a solution to the puzzle is likely to be
 equivalent to a solution to the P=NP problem.

There you go.


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Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-10 Thread marc . geddes



On Aug 9, 11:47 pm, Scipione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Marc,

 I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some
 trouble
 obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can readhttp://uk.eternityii.com/
 Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and
 where the
 solution can come from (!) ).



 So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how
 is the
 real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take
 and
 send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but
 please
 dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my
 self ;) )

 Raffaele..

Sorry I can't publically share information about the puzzle pieces.
This message comes with the game:

Christopher Monckton holds the copyright in all the ETERNITY and
 ETERNITY II puzzles. The details of the pieces of the clue puzzles as
well as
 of the prize puzzle are protected by copyright, and any circulation
of
 them, in any form or medium, will result in action for breach of
 copyright.

To protect other solvers, the judges will disqualify any entry whose
 existence becomes publicly known before the date of the annual
scrutiny
 following its submission, and any entrant who has publicly disclosed
any
 details of any of the Eternity II pieces in any form or medium.

But there seem to be many places where it's available.  Hope you find
a copy from somewhere.


 Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my
 own
 software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can
 understand,
 the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols
 (the
 number of different triangles used in the pieces and their
 combinations)
 chosen by the author of the real game.

I too am creating software to try to solve the puzzle.  I have a class
diagram - software enginnered using my MCRT ontology of course ;) and
am now implementing the design.  There is a group on Yahoo you may be
interested in where many people are talking about using AI / Genetic
Algorithms etc to try to crack the puzzle.  Link to the group below.
Good luck:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternity_two/


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Re: $US 2 million math puzzle challenge

2007-08-09 Thread Scipione

Hi Marc,

I knew this puzzle quite well; i tried to order it but i have some
trouble
obtaining it (i'm italian and as you can read http://uk.eternityii.com/
Italy isn't included in the country where such puzzle is sold and
where the
solution can come from (!) ).

Anyway i started to work on it: i'm studing the problem creating my
own
software working on some possible puzzle; however as you can
understand,
the right approach depends on the particular distribution of symbols
(the
number of different triangles used in the pieces and their
combinations)
chosen by the author of the real game.

So...meanwhile i tried to obatin my own copy, i would like to see how
is the
real puzzle...hence...i would ask you if you could be so kind to take
and
send me a picture of the gameboard filled with all the pieces (but
please
dont' put them in the winning order: i want to solve it by my
self ;) )

Of course if i can do/give u something in change (software, ebooks,
donation..), i'll be really happy to do it.

Thanks in advance,

Raffaele..


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