Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-02-15 Thread Jesse Mazer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [re: rock is a good implementation of any computation] It depends what you mean by good implementation. The context of my comment above was, *if* you believe there is a single true set of psychophysical laws, are the laws likely to

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness +

2001-02-04 Thread hpm
George Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Humongous Table is just consciousness by proxy. I have nothing against tables, mind you :-) . Let's not forget that this table (or the interpreter that converts this table into meaning) did not occur by accident. Either someone programmed it or it evolved

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness +

2001-02-04 Thread George Levy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Humongous table is simply a translation device that maps the clock's representation to your representation. Ah, but the table is so complicated only because it needs to map between the clock representation and your native representation, which is horribly

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-01-29 Thread hal
Hans writes: But position 1 does NOT preclude the reality of a first-person existence, it just makes that existence a purely subjective matter, but not only for third persons. Once you attribute consciousness to an entity (perhaps persuaded by its Turing test performance), then you are

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-01-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU (as conventionally interpreted) believe you are conscious, we agree on that. The existence of your consciousness under the interpretation is objective. And YOU most always (with exceptions like unconsciousness and perhaps some meditative states) maintain that

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-01-28 Thread hpm
Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] helpfully wrote: ... it's useful to differentiate between 3 different positions: 1. Consciousness is not real--our decision to call a system conscious or not is based only on subjective aesthetic criteria, like cuteness (Daniel Dennett's example). The only

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-01-28 Thread hpm

Re: 3 possible views of consciousness

2001-01-28 Thread Jesse Mazer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite its unpopularity, I think position 1 makes the most sense for those of us expecting to someday build robots that are also persons. Building robots is, after all, a third person kind of activity. Sure, but so is making babies. Chalmers believes that there is a