Re: A possible argument against branching universes.

2001-02-13 Thread Hal Ruhl

In response to a question:

I first tried to show that cascade discontinuities are necessary.

Second assume these discontinuities leave behind a split rather than just a 
shift.

The assumption results in an additional contradictory situation giving two 
running contradictions.  Result - splits result in a contradiction 
cascade.  However, a chain of discontinuities consisting of just shifts 
clears all these contradictions including the original one.

Hal





Re: A possible argument against branching universes.

2001-02-12 Thread Hal Ruhl

Dear John:

Below I have slightly rewritten my argument along the lines I had 
originally intended - the first effort was too rushed.  The rewrite may 
answer your question.

At 2/12/01, you wrote:
>Hal, you wrote (among lots of other things):
> > 2) But the other universe also has to stop given the fixed FAS complexity
> > i.e. another new running contradiction.
>Can you discern - after the split - which is "the other"?
>(excuse me for this question for a situation which I do not condone at all).
>John Mikes

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In the context that a particular evolving universe is a recursively 
enumerable theorem cascade of a particular finite consistent FAS can a 
cascade branch?

Each theorem in a cascade has an AIT complexity greater than its preimage 
because the cascade itself is the shortest program for computing any 
theorem in it.

If the FAS has a finite AIT complexity and is fixed then the cascade must 
eventually stop when the complexity of its individual theorems becomes 
equal to the max complexity supported by the fixed FAS i.e. the complexity 
of the FAS itself plus a constant.

The endpoint theorem must be one that has no successor under the rules of 
the cascade.

Such a theorem has a low complexity since I just described it.

Thus we seem to have a contradiction - a cascade of ever more complex 
theorems must stop and can only stop on a very simple theorem.

This contradiction can be resolved if the FAS is actually not constant but 
can be added to by an external random oracle thus increasing its 
complexity.  This allows the cascade to continue.

Can the random oracle event leave behind a cascade still running in the old 
FAS?  No because each event of this sort would create a new running 
contradiction.

The only way out seems to be that there is no branching and the FAS must 
become more complex as the cascade continues.

An increase in complexity of the FAS has a possible interpretation: The 
cascade is reinitialized in the new FAS with the new theorem acting as the 
initiating axiom.


That is a better way of putting it and eliminates the need to distinguish 
between the two universes since the running contradiction one is not allowed.

Hal




Re: A possible argument against branching universes.

2001-02-12 Thread jamikes

Hal, you wrote (among lots of other things):
> 2) But the other universe also has to stop given the fixed FAS complexity
> i.e. another new running contradiction.
Can you discern - after the split - which is "the other"?
(excuse me for this question for a situation which I do not condone at all).
John Mikes