On 16 Aug 2012, at 16:45, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
If there is an existing proof that bacteria can be modeled by Turing
machines,
I'd find that extremely insteresting.
It depends what you mean by bacteria. With comp no piece of matter can
be emulated by a Turing machine. So if by bacteria you mean the
apparent stuff of the bacteria, the answer is no. But this is not
obvious to explain shortly. It is a non cloning theorem for matter in
comp.
But if you mean by bacteria the person vehiculated by that stuff at
some level, then yes, the bacterium can be emulated. It is the same
with us.
Note that most naturalist and materialist would say that a bacterium
*can* be emulated, but they would still truncate a description of the
bacteria at some low level, and then emulate the known physical laws
to that description, but this, for a computationalist is still a bet
on a level.
Bruno
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8/16/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
What is it that Locke and Hume claimed ? That we can think nothing
that
did not come through our senses, that is, from experience. But
Turing machines
cannot experience life. They can only experience 0s and 1s.
See my preview answer on this, and Jason's comment. You are
flattening the many possible hierarchies and loop possible for
virtual universal entities.
Bruno
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8/14/2012
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Subject: Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to
computers in AI ordescribing life
On 11 Aug 2012, at 10:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
> On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following:
>> The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact
999.9% of
>> life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is
unintelligent.
>>
>> The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a
study
>> of
>> artitificial intelligence, although because of a biases as an
>> intelligent species, a significantly higher fraction of alife
>> research
>> is about AI.
>>
>
> What does intelligence means in this context that life is
> unintelligent? Let us compare for example a bacterium and a rock.
> Where there is more intelligence?
Bacteria are provably Turing complete, rocks are not.
You might remind us what you mean by "intelligent". I tend to oppose
it to competence and learning. Intelligence is needed for making
competence capable of growing and diversified, but competence has a
negative feedback on intelligence. I use intelligence in a sense
closer to free-will and consciousness than an ability to solve
problems. IQ tests concerns always form of competence (very basic
one:
they have been invented to detect mental disability).
Bruno
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