Re: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?
Hi Stephen P. King You can google this stuff up. preestablished harmony noun (in the philosophy of Leibnitz) synchronous operation of all monads, since their simultaneous creation, in accordance with the preexisting plan of God. I suspect that even God has to follow Godel's restrictions . [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/18/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17, 13:21:59 Subject: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ? On 1/17/2013 11:46 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King 1) Sorry, I incorrectly abbreviated, as usual, by referring to the Supreme Monad as God. The correct version is that God observes and handles the world of monads from behind or beyond the Supreme Monad. Somehow this may have led you astray. I do believe that all monads are distinct. They exist because they are non-identical. 2) Distinct because each snapshot, or slide, pictures the universe from our particular point of view. 3) We are all distinct from our histories (past perceptions), and from our appetities. 4) We must all be distinct for the PEH to operate properly. 5) The PEH can only happen if there is only one, absolutely powerful God. 6) I hope I haven't missed anything. Hi Roger, It seems that most of what I am explaining is lost to you. Could we try to restrict our discussion of Monadology to the PEH concept for now? Could you explain what the PEH is and how it works, as you understand it now? -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?
Hi Stephen P. King 1) Sorry, I incorrectly abbreviated, as usual, by referring to the Supreme Monad as God. The correct version is that God observes and handles the world of monads from behind or beyond the Supreme Monad. Somehow this may have led you astray. I do believe that all monads are distinct. They exist because they are non-identical. 2) Distinct because each snapshot, or slide, pictures the universe from our particular point of view. 3) We are all distinct from our histories (past perceptions), and from our appetities. 4) We must all be distinct for the PEH to operate properly. 5) The PEH can only happen if there is only one, absolutely powerful God. 6) I hope I haven't missed anything. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 18:04:11 Subject: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ? On 1/16/2013 11:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Stephen, Bruno endorsed at least part of my viewpoint below on whether there can be multiple identities. I allowed multiple identities (such as numbers) to exist in Platonia as long as they had different contexts. Dear Roger, Please see the post that I just submited under the subject line Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter Identity requires the ability, the potency, for the act of making a distinction otherwise it is mute and degenerate. We must distinguish to even know that we exist, thus we are not ontologically primitive. You should consider the high price of assuming that the totality of all that exists is organized in a reductive, hierarchical and/or well founded manner. You keep insisting on a Supreme monad as distinct from other rest of the monads in contradiction to even Leibniz' discussions. from: http://philosophy.eserver.org/leibniz-monadology.txt 39. Now as this substance is a sufficient reason of all this variety of particulars, which are also connected together throughout; there is only one God, and this God is sufficient. 40. We may also hold that this supreme substance, which is unique, universal and necessary, nothing outside of it being independent of it,- this substance, which is a pure sequence of possible being, must be illimitable and must contain as much reality as is possible. 41. Whence it follows that God is absolutely perfect; for perfection is nothing but amount of positive reality, in the strict sense, leaving out of account the limits or bounds in things which are limited. And where there are no bounds, that is to say in God, perfection is absolutely infinite. (Theod. 22, Pref. [E. 469 a; G. vi. 27].) This is a bit difficult, I admit, as you know that L had to cowtow to the religious authority of his day, but the idea of non-well foundedness was clearly implied. The difference that I am considering is mereological. The Perfection of the monad is the condition of Identity of all monads, what state at which all differences or varieties vanish. This makes the totality of all that exists to be the Supreme monad, there all differences between whole and part vanish (are degenerate). Why not consider that any one monad is defined by relations it has with all others (and itself) and thus there is no primitive monad in any well founded or reductive sense except the One whose properties vanish: the neutral ground of existence in-itself. -- Onward! Stephen - Have received the following content - Sender: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:59:12 Subject: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Specific properties, at least down here, are needed if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities cannot exist in this contingent world, for they would have the same identity. I'm inclined to say that that is also true in Platonia, which would be a disaster, for you could not say 1 = 1. A saving grace might be that one of those 1's is before, and the other, after the equal sign. That is, the numbers are distinguished by context. I agree with all what you say here. Tell this to Stephen. Note that we are distinguished by context too. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?
On 1/17/2013 11:46 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King 1) Sorry, I incorrectly abbreviated, as usual, by referring to the Supreme Monad as God. The correct version is that God observes and handles the world of monads from behind or beyond the Supreme Monad. Somehow this may have led you astray. I do believe that all monads are distinct. They exist because they are non-identical. 2) Distinct because each snapshot, or slide, pictures the universe from our particular point of view. 3) We are all distinct from our histories (past perceptions), and from our appetities. 4) We must all be distinct for the PEH to operate properly. 5) The PEH can only happen if there is only one, absolutely powerful God. 6) I hope I haven't missed anything. Hi Roger, It seems that most of what I am explaining is lost to you. Could we try to restrict our discussion of Monadology to the PEH concept for now? Could you explain what the PEH is and how it works, as you understand it now? -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?
On 1/16/2013 11:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Stephen, Bruno endorsed at least part of my viewpoint below on whether there can be multiple identities. I allowed multiple identities (such as numbers) to exist in Platonia as long as they had different contexts. Dear Roger, Please see the post that I just submited under the subject line Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter Identity requires the ability, the potency, for the act of making a distinction otherwise it is mute and degenerate. We must distinguish to even know that we exist, thus we are not ontologically primitive. You should consider the high price of assuming that the totality of all that exists is organized in a reductive, hierarchical and/or well founded manner. You keep insisting on a Supreme monad as distinct from other rest of the monads in contradiction to even Leibniz' discussions. from: http://philosophy.eserver.org/leibniz-monadology.txt 39. Now as this substance is a sufficient reason of all this variety of particulars, which are also connected together throughout; there is only one God, and this God is sufficient. 40. We may also hold that this supreme substance, which is unique, universal and necessary, nothing outside of it being independent of it,- this substance, which is a pure sequence of possible being, must be illimitable and must contain as much reality as is possible. 41. Whence it follows that God is absolutely perfect; for perfection is nothing but amount of positive reality, in the strict sense, leaving out of account the limits or bounds in things which are limited. And where there are no bounds, that is to say in God, perfection is absolutely infinite. (Theod. 22, Pref. [E. 469 a; G. vi. 27].) This is a bit difficult, I admit, as you know that L had to cowtow to the religious authority of his day, but the idea of non-well foundedness was clearly implied. The difference that I am considering is mereological http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mereology/. The Perfection of the monad is the condition of Identity of all monads, what state at which all differences or varieties vanish. This makes the totality of all that exists to be the Supreme monad, there all differences between whole and part vanish (are degenerate). Why not consider that any one monad is defined by relations it has with all others (and itself) and thus there is no primitive monad in any well founded or reductive sense except the One whose properties vanish: the neutral ground of existence in-itself. -- Onward! Stephen - Have received the following content - Sender: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:59:12 Subject: Re: Math- Computation- Mind - Geometry - Space - Matter On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Specific properties, at least down here, are needed if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities cannot exist in this contingent world, for they would have the same identity. I'm inclined to say that that is also true in Platonia, which would be a disaster, for you could not say 1 = 1. A saving grace might be that one of those 1's is before, and the other, after the equal sign. That is, the numbers are distinguished by context. I agree with all what you say here. Tell this to Stephen. Note that we are distinguished by context too. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
