Re: Computer reads minds
Short remark interleft in italics John On 2/20/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John Mikes wrote: > > Brent: > > > > 2 questions (and pls try to take them seriously): > > > > 1. do you have a common-sensibly expressible meaning for 'conscious' - > > in this respect, of machines (computers being so? (conscious of - is > > easier, but also not obvious). > > Short answer - Not a well defined one. Which is why it is an interesting question whether the computer that is > "reading a mind" partakes of consciousness. Consider the extension of this > technology to a person, who through injury, had no other way of > communicating except as the computer "read their mind". Would that computer > be part of consciousness? The question was "conscious", not "consciousness" which is not the noun referrung to (being) conscious (maybe of something) - Your injured person is fully conscious, and possesses her consciousness, although impaired in communication. Aiding by a device participates in the conscious activity (you may exted it to her consciousness). Part of it: yes. My question was as without a conscious person's input. > > > 2. The BBC article allows 'scans' to inform about 'theoretical' (or > > whatever is the appropriate word they use) topics. Do they have a > > price-list: how many mAmps refer to 'delusional aberration' vs. how many > > to 'inductive prognostication'? > > Not that I know of. My point. News in the media usually miss the 'real' information and talk 'per apices' in news-level. They aim at the emotionally influenceable purse of the audience, not the (scientific??) information about the topics. Not a priviledge of the US media. Brent Meeker John M > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Computer reads minds
On 2/21/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6346069.stm > > But is the *computer* conscious of the decision? > > Brent Meeker My hand in a sense reads my mind because it moves when I will it to move, but normally it is not thought to participate in the conscious decision, even with those experiments showing that the hand may move before the conscious decision to move (Libet). Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Computer reads minds
John Mikes wrote: > Brent: > > 2 questions (and pls try to take them seriously): > > 1. do you have a common-sensibly expressible meaning for 'conscious' - > in this respect, of machines (computers being so? (conscious of - is > easier, but also not obvious). Short answer - Not a well defined one. Which is why it is an interesting question whether the computer that is "reading a mind" partakes of consciousness. Consider the extension of this technology to a person, who through injury, had no other way of communicating except as the computer "read their mind". Would that computer be part of consciousness? > > 2. The BBC article allows 'scans' to inform about 'theoretical' (or > whatever is the appropriate word they use) topics. Do they have a > price-list: how many mAmps refer to 'delusional aberration' vs. how many > to 'inductive prognostication'? Not that I know of. Brent Meeker --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Computer reads minds
Brent: 2 questions (and pls try to take them seriously): 1. do you have a common-sensibly expressible meaning for 'conscious' - in this respect, of machines (computers being so? (conscious of - is easier, but also not obvious). 2. The BBC article allows 'scans' to inform about 'theoretical' (or whatever is the appropriate word they use) topics. Do they have a price-list: how many mAmps refer to 'delusional aberration' vs. how many to 'inductive prognostication'? I think all they could do is to differentiate between DONE thinking whether it was false or believed as true. This is also more than I like (in the wrong hands). John On 2/20/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6346069.stm > > But is the *computer* conscious of the decision? > > Brent Meeker > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
