Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:25:09AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >>>Conjecture: All "harnessable" physical processes can be simulated by > >>>a > >>>Turing machine. By harnessable, we mean exploited for performing some > >>>computation. I suspect this is true. > >> > >>I don't understand. >

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 22-juin-05, à 01:06, Russell Standish a écrit : On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:43:49PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Turing's thesis: Any process that can be naturally called an effective procedure is realized by a Turing machine. Not OK. Please give me the page. 2nd edition, page 24, abo

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:43:49PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >Turing's thesis: Any process that can be naturally called an effective > >procedure is realized by a Turing machine. > > Not OK. Please give me the page. > 2nd edition, page 24, about 1/3 of the way down the page. > > > >Both

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-juin-05, à 12:28, Russell Standish a écrit : On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:40:03AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 17-juin-05, ? 07:19, Russell Standish a ?crit : Hmm - this is really a definition of a universal machine. That such a machine exists is a theorem. Neither depend on the Churc

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:40:03AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 17-juin-05, ? 07:19, Russell Standish a ?crit : > > >Hmm - this is really a definition of a universal machine. That such a > >machine exists is a theorem. Neither depend on the Church-Turing > >thesis, which says that any "effe

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 17-juin-05, à 07:19, Russell Standish a écrit : Hmm - this is really a definition of a universal machine. That such a machine exists is a theorem. Neither depend on the Church-Turing thesis, which says that any "effective" computation can be done using a Turing machine (or recursive function

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-16 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:37:05PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 15-juin-05, ? 01:39, Russell Standish a ?crit : > > >On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:39:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> > >>OK but it can be misleading (especially in advanced stuff!). neither a > >>program, nor a machine

Re: Conscious descriptions

2005-06-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-juin-05, à 01:39, Russell Standish a écrit : On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:39:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK but it can be misleading (especially in advanced stuff!). neither a program, nor a machine nor a body nor a brain can think. A person can think, and manifest eself (I follow P